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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ignoring them is my favorite.
I was walking with my headphones in and some random adjushi decided he should start yelling at me for some random reason, I was listening to music and not what he was saying. When he finished his rant he said "eh?" a few times because I'm assuming he was hoping he had elicited a response. He eventually walked away as I at no point even looked at the guy. I grew up in Florida, no angry Korean guy is going to impress or intimidate me. |
A couple days ago I saw an ajossi get on the bus and started screaming at people to get out of his way. The dude was obviously drunk because the bus stank of alcohol as soon as he stepped in the vehicle. The younger guys he was screaming at first ignored him until the guy started yelling, "What are you looking at?! I'm 40 years old!!" The other guys just rolled their eyes and let him through. One big guy stared the ajossi down but decided it wasn't worth it. It was pretty amusing when he got off the bus spouting every swear word he can think of.
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| Growing up in Florida qualifies someone as a bad ass? |
You obviously haven't been to Florida. The amount of douchebaggery in that state trumps anything you've seen in Korea. |
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krnpowr
Joined: 08 Dec 2011
Location: Midwest, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Growing up in Florida qualifies someone as a bad ass? |
You obviously haven't been to Florida. The amount of douchebaggery in that state trumps anything you've seen in Korea. |
I actually used to live and work in Miami for your information. Know what you're speaking about before you speak. I also grew up in Jersey City and Chicago, and lived in Michigan and SoCal. But by no means, do I claim that makes me a de facto bad ass. Someone could have grown up in E. St. Lous or Compton, or even worse, but they can still be a pussee. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| FloridaGator314 wrote: |
Ignoring them is my favorite.
I was walking with my headphones in and some random adjushi decided he should start yelling at me for some random reason, I was listening to music and not what he was saying. When he finished his rant he said "eh?" a few times because I'm assuming he was hoping he had elicited a response. He eventually walked away as I at no point even looked at the guy. I grew up in Florida, no angry Korean guy is going to impress or intimidate me. |
A couple days ago I saw an ajossi get on the bus and started screaming at people to get out of his way. The dude was obviously drunk because the bus stank of alcohol as soon as he stepped in the vehicle. The younger guys he was screaming at first ignored him until the guy started yelling, "What are you looking at?! I'm 40 years old!!" The other guys just rolled their eyes and let him through. One big guy stared the ajossi down but decided it wasn't worth it. It was pretty amusing when he got off the bus spouting every swear word he can think of.
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| Growing up in Florida qualifies someone as a bad ass? |
You obviously haven't been to Florida. The amount of douchebaggery in that state trumps anything you've seen in Korea. |
I've been in Korea for close to 20 years. My friends, young university students when I first came here, are now in their 40s. None of them are like the stereotype you seem so intent on perpetuating.
Age has little affect on behavior. A guy who's a dick in his 40s or 50s was a dick in his 20s. |
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Skill
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Sometime it is just wise to walk away. There is no need to prove yourself with 3 snotty kids who can't speak English properly except a few swear words. There is no pretty girl to impress, or anyones honour to protect.
You will get nothing from a confrontation, except maybe a few days in a stinky old prison and a quick flight back home.
I'm sure you are not looking for that. |
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s.tickbeat
Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:24 am Post subject: |
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As a woman, I've found that Korea is all kinds of different than the west. For starters, I feel perfectly safe walking home alone at night, drinking in a club, dancing anywhere - I might get ogled but when I catch someone's eye they look away, embarrassed. Korea is the safest place I've ever been, as well as the most innocent. Whenever I have been harassed or ogled, it's never really been threatening or rude. It's far more respectful than what boys call 'hitting on chicks' back home.
On the other hand, there's an unshakable sense of entitlement among some of the older men (especially when they've been drinking). They'll grab me when I'm in line for the toilet, stroke my hair, try to kiss me, hell someone once tried to drag me out of the restaurant by the arm. Fortunately, as a woman I'm pretty free to respond to those situations violently (with a smack and some strong words in Korean).
At home it's the opposite - more sexual harassment with less minor assault.
And before you boys start saying 'she must dress like a total *beep* and look like a prostitute' 1) that doesn't matter, looking like a *beep*/prostitute/etc doesn't entitle anyone to harass or assault anyone, and 2) I'm not exactly approachable. I have tattoos, red hair, jeans, and drive a motorbike. I guess I look vulnerable because I'm small? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| krnpowr wrote: |
I actually used to live and work in Miami for your information. Know what you're speaking about before you speak. I also grew up in Jersey City and Chicago, and lived in Michigan and SoCal. But by no means, do I claim that makes me a de facto bad ass. Someone could have grown up in E. St. Lous or Compton, or even worse, but they can still be a pussee. |
Ok...When have I ever said living in Florida makes you a badass? I don't disagree with your post. Also, I was jesting with the florida comment.
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I've been in Korea for close to 20 years. My friends, young university students when I first came here, are now in their 40s. None of them are like the stereotype you seem so intent on perpetuating.
Age has little affect on behavior. A guy who's a dick in his 40s or 50s was a dick in his 20s. |
Good for you? I am Korean. All I did was post an anecdote of a particular 40 year old dick and somehow I'm perpetuating a stereotype? I think you're looking for a fight that ain't there. |
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HarryMorgan
Joined: 02 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| The amount of douchebaggery in that state trumps anything you've seen in Korea. |
I will definitely second fermentation's statement. Florida is backwash. And when stints in New Jersey and "SoCal" are added to your profile, it's often safe to make assumptions. |
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Garciua
Joined: 16 Sep 2011
Location: Iceland
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: 3 young Korean dudes bad mouthed me at restaurant |
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I was just at a fast food restaurant to eat and as soon as I sat down I heard one Korean guy from a table that was diagonal to me say "F you". I sincerely thought that I had misheard him and I looked at him for a split second and there were 3 young Korean men (about 20'ish....although I didn't get a good look) staring at me.
I thought whatever, so I sat down and started eating. They then started saying "are you crazy" "you have dirty mouth". I ignored them and continued eating. |
The hagwon generation has reached adulthood. They probably got conditioned to view foreigners as dancing clowns from a young age.
Many Koreans get triggered into practising their english whenever they see a foreigner. Young guys...they probably tried out their list of bad words to see if they could get a reaction. A game of dare for their amusement. |
The correct analysis........they don't realize the impact of these English words. |
Not entirely correct. 9 times out of 10 they do know it's an insult. You wouldn't start swearing in Spanish at Mexican people and expect to get a free pass on your behavior would you? No, you'd expect a bit of a problem if you did that. |
The difference is that most of us are from multi-cultural backgrounds. We know the rules and boundries of inter-racial encounters. Koreans don't. They don't encounter enough foreigners to build up any experience nor are they taught inter-racial manners by their elders....because they are equally clueless.
The there's the invisible 'barrier'. I find Koreans tend to think of foreigners as being a different entity. A different species. And that we're oblivious to anything that goes on around us unless it directly relates to what we're doing. That's one of the reasons Koreans so brazenly stare at foreigners. They think we don't notice them staring because we're a different species in our own little foreign 'bubble'. |
I never grew up in a multicultural society and still have enough brains to know that all people are humans and that people get upset and hurt by things said.
Though I think the latter part of your post seems pretty logic and correct. That foreigners are some sort of clowns that are there to amuse them. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I find Koreans tend to think of foreigners as being a different entity. A different species. And that we're oblivious to anything that goes on around us unless it directly relates to what we're doing. |
I think this sometimes applies to NETs and how they treat Koreans as well.
How many times have we seen an NET just putz with the locals for his/her own amusement, relying on the fact that they would be oblivious to how they are being treated? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I find Koreans tend to think of foreigners as being a different entity. A different species. And that we're oblivious to anything that goes on around us unless it directly relates to what we're doing. |
I think this sometimes applies to NETs and how they treat Koreans as well.
How many times have we seen an NET just putz with the locals for his/her own amusement, relying on the fact that they would be oblivious to how they are being treated? |
Very true.
Though (I hope at least and in my experience it has proven to be the case) these tyoes of nets are not the majority whilst the majority of Koreans do really seem to feel we are simpletons when outside of our own countries, a seprate species indeed and live in these foriegn bubbles etc when they see us and interact with us.
That said, once they interact with you a few times and you tell them you've been here a while and they garner from conversations that you've probably seen more of Korea than they have and can get aorund by yourself, have maybe had romances with locals etc - they do (after a period of surprised amazement) get over it and accept the new schemata.
I'm not sure if they then only apply that schemata to you and still see other waygookins as lost simpletons / seperate species etc, but they have adjusted their schemata with me, at least once they've heard some of my stories etc so that's something. |
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djmarcus
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Just wanted to add a different spin on this post. It could be possible that the reason they started bad mouthing you may have been to get you pissed off enough so that you might actually hit one of them. I've learned that 1 punch to a citizen in Korea will lead to jail time PLUS money out of your pocket. I heard that it could be upwards of up to 700,000won. That money would hold so much more worth than a black eye to them. With a broken nose, it would be even more money. They could care less about a broken nose if they got some dough out of it. So instead of getting pissed or wondering why they said it, just think that it could have been a scam and you won. |
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Sus
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Guri-City
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Those guys sound like real pieces of shit, but not really worth a lot of effort. They were probably saying the only words they knew that could get a rise out of you. Ive seen drunk dickhead white guys try it out on the subway, too. Shouting Ship-pal and poking a korean man...
Sometimes if I feel like it, I will cosy up to them and just start laughing hysterically. Or maybe I just say hi and make eyecontact. or talk so calmly in big words they don't understand but wit ha tone that says, hey, you're being stupid.
Usually they are easily shamed.
unless they are aggosshi... |
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