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Mikejelai



Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Korean-American sham marriages info?? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any personal, first hand info on sham marriages between Korean women and US military personnel? I am doing research for a law review article on the Korean prostitution industry in America, and I need current data.......... Feel free to PM me........
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean-American sham marriages info?? Reply with quote

Mikejelai wrote:
Does anyone have any personal, first hand info on sham marriages between Korean women and US military personnel? I am doing research for a law review article on the Korean prostitution industry in America, and I need current data.......... Feel free to PM me........


Contact the USCIS. They have all the empirical data you could ask for.

Your local congress person should also be able to fill your cup with all the biased data you need on green card hunters and gold diggers.

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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any specific reason you're focusing on "between Korean women and US military personnel"?
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Korean-American sham marriages info?? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Mikejelai wrote:
Does anyone have any personal, first hand info on sham marriages between Korean women and US military personnel? I am doing research for a law review article on the Korean prostitution industry in America, and I need current data.......... Feel free to PM me........


Contact the USCIS. They have all the empirical data you could ask for.

Your local congress person should also be able to fill your cup with all the biased data you need on green card hunters and gold diggers.

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Thanks for the giggle, Ttompatz. Wonder if they keep stats on how many fewer people are "hunting" for green cards than used to be. How long will it take for data about Americans hunting whatever green cards are called in various other countries.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unemployment 1/2 what it is in the States. Korea 3.7% compared to the US 9.6% (2010 stats)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2129rank.html

Cheap and reasonable quality health care (dirt cheap compared to the states).

G20 country - went from being a recipient of foreign aid to a donor of foreign aid (the only county to ever do so).

Well developed infrastructure.
Better public transportation services.
Better telecommunication services.
Lower taxes.
The list continues.

Why would a Korean want to go through the trouble of marrying an American for a green card?

Truth be told, more and more I see US economic refugees looking to marry a Korean so they can stay here and work. The shoe is certainly on the other foot.

The OP was little better than a troll post based on old stereotypes dating back to the 60's.

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rollo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

human trafficing. A sex worker in the U.S can earn her employer around $200,000 dollars a year. it is a big business. Very current not a sixty stereotype.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
human trafficing. A sex worker in the U.S can earn her employer around $200,000 dollars a year. it is a big business. Very current not a sixty stereotype.


HorseModEdit.

It takes between 1-2 YEARS, many thousands of dollars and much government scrutiny to obtain a fiance or spousal visa to the States (check the USCIS website or ask anyone who is actually trying to get a spouse to the States if you don't believe me). You won't find many human traffickers spending that much time and risking that much scrutiny to take a Korean girl to the states.

It is far easier and cheaper to get her a tourist package (about $2000) with Hanatour and she just forgets to go home (since a visa is not required for her to enter the States as a tourist and immigration won't even take a 2nd look at someone who is entitled to visa free entry and is on a tour package).

The premise of the original post was old and outdated (watching too many MASH reruns?) and not even plausible.

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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any stats or anything to back this up. Maybe others do. But what I have noticed is a fundamental change in recent years. When a country is really poor, it seems there's a very high proportion of "gold diggers". Many women want money and status. The families will even groom their daughters to go out and get a rich guy, if she's pretty. Then she will poor on the charm, act sexy, and whatnot. She will try to squeeze money out of the guy and send it to her family.

So, I think Korea was like this until maybe 10 years ago or so. Just read the discussion forum "life in Korea in the 90's." Essentially, in Seoul, I'm guessing many women over 45 or 50 have that money mentality. In the regional cities, many women over 40 may have that mentality. In the rural areas, many women over 35 may have that mentality. None of this is scientific, just speculation.

I lived in a traditional backward rural area and the weird attitudes that I came across from women, especially older ones was one shot over the moon. So, marying for a US Visa is not out of the question. Many of these women here were pure money girls. If you were white in the past, prob many saw money signs in their eyes and really wanted to meet you.

My friend who had money married one of these years ago and his life was miserable. She was always obsessed with his status and position. He finally had enough and ended the mariage. I dated a girl from a nearby rural town which was even more backward and the weird things she would say and very interested in how much I made.

Anyways, the good news is Korea is a richer country now and most younger women have grown up in a middle class lifestyle. I would say most are now more like western women. IE Not the gold digging type. Nowadays, if you're good guy, decent looking, funny, all that stuff you ought to be able to get a girl even if you're poor (on account of huge debts back home). Ten to fifteen years ago prob not so much.

In the past the really pretty girls would have gone for the fat ugly rich guy. Now they would go for the nice looking, funny, kind poorer guy. Difference between a poor and rich country I guess.

(I'm still de programming myself from all the stupid nonsense I learned about traditional old fashioned Korean life from my time spent living in a rural area.)
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Mikejelai



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Los Angeles police reports, over 90% of the prostitutes they arrest are Korean. And many people who are close to the industry say that the majority of the women got there via sham marriages to US GI's, especially black GI's.

No doubt the easing of the tourist visa requirements in the U.S. has reduced the number opting to get there by way of sham marriages. But what if a woman didn't want to overstay her visa. Wouldn't she probably opt to go there by marriage instead? And then separate/divorce? THan she wouldn't have to worry about getting busted for the overstay?

Anyway, I've read that the going rate paid to the GI's by the Korean mob who run the scheme pay $10,000 to the GI (half up front and the other half when he gets her to the U.S.).

Prostituted women usually go from poorer countries to richer countries, but the Korean situation is a bit of a paradox in that regard. Why are so many Korean prostitutes going to the U.S., Canada, etc., when the Korean economy is so strong?

Anyway, there are various theories postulated to explain this; the most reasonable (at least to me) being that it is related to gender inequality in Korea. That, and possibly because the U.S. is beginning to adopt the Asian concept known by sociologists/cultural anthropologists as "the law of the *beep*."
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motiontodismiss



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Unemployment 1/2 what it is in the States. Korea 3.7% compared to the US 9.6% (2010 stats)


I don't think anyone trusts the Korean government's numbers. I read an article the other day that said when you account for "discouraged" workers and underemployment and change the definition of employment to something more rational, that number goes up to 21% at least for young people.

A high school student at the top of her class saying she wants to be a level 9 government worker making $12k a year just says something not right here.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

motiontodismiss wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Unemployment 1/2 what it is in the States. Korea 3.7% compared to the US 9.6% (2010 stats)
I don't think anyone trusts the Korean government's numbers. I read an article the other day that said when you account for "discouraged" workers and underemployment and change the definition of employment to something more rational, that number goes up to 21% at least for young people.

A high school student at the top of her class saying she wants to be a level 9 government worker making $12k a year just says something not right here.

And you think US numbers aren't fudged? I believe the figure in Canada for May of 2010 was around 15% (aged 20-24), fudged of course.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motiontodismiss wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Unemployment 1/2 what it is in the States. Korea 3.7% compared to the US 9.6% (2010 stats)


I don't think anyone trusts the Korean government's numbers. I read an article the other day that said when you account for "discouraged" workers and underemployment and change the definition of employment to something more rational, that number goes up to 21% at least for young people.

A high school student at the top of her class saying she wants to be a level 9 government worker making $12k a year just says something not right here.


Still we have high unemployment too with this downturn. Haven't seen a spike in US prostitutes. The whole Korean women prostitute being busted in LA does seem a paradox as Korea is a developed country now. What's up with that? Kind of ironic for a country that doesn't want it's gene pool polluted....
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many issues...

First of all, from my personal experience, some Korean women want to marry American or other nationality men because they (the women) are not well-educated and don't believe they can get a fair shot in educated-obsessed Korea. This does not mean all but there are some. Obviously, some Korean women marry Westerners for love as well.

Now, the idea that Korean women are marrying U.S. military personel to gain U.S. citizenship so they can become prostitutes - wow- I would not have seen that one coming. Not that I don't believe that Korean women aren't coming to the U.S. to become prostitutes (what with prostitution being cracked down upon here, more personal privacy in a foreign country - they can always return to Korea and try to be respectable after making some quick cash, and they can probably charge higher fees (at least to Korean-American and I guess fetish clientelle. But, I just don't see why they need to go through all the trouble of becoming American citizens to do it? Maybe, there is a money laundering benefit I don't know.

Anyways, withouth going undercover, good luck finding out information. I guess you could figure out what the divorce rate of soldiers marrying Korean women is and then make some inquiries and guesses that way.

Weird but intereting thread...
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minos



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quality prostitutes bring in big bucks. In korean, the market is saturated and young replacements around the corner always. Not to mention the reputation which topedoes marriage chances with anyone not broke.

Plenty of guys have a fetish for N. asian girls in the states.

As for the "strong" korean economy; it's great if your rich or have a successful company.

I've met very few koreans who speak of having wonderful jobs. Most of them are underpaid, over-worked, or not even paying benefits. Doesn't matter if their the 1% either.

A similar situation is in Japan. Plenty of young folks working future-less part time work all over the place.

Even the decent, good jobs have slave hours (9-12 hour work day). I've had friends be driven to tears due to the korean work environment

The only koreans I've met who said they like their jobs are gyopos, high paid freelancers, work for the us army as contractors, and some artists.

Whenever I tell koreans I want to have an office job here, they look at me like I'm retarded and give me a load of reasons why I'd be better off having the same job in the states.

Oh and case some folks are wondering. Yes, alot of the menial labour jobs like nail artist and star bucks barista are staffed with former college grads.

Engineer from a third rate school= Mototrcycle repair technician....assistant.


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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many gyopos struggle, too, especially the ones who actually have a brain. The slimey ones seem to do well but then again, playing it straight seems NOT to pay off in Korea.
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