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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: I think a friend of mine is bipolar.... |
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Last night, after having a long discussion with my roommate, I came to the conclusion that a certain friend of mine might be bipolar. At the moment, this friend is occasionally staying with us as he is having some marital problems (due in part to him having rushed into a marriage with a Korean girl who he barely knows and can barely communicate with). Anyways, I am all ears on ideas for how to discuss this with my friend and ultimately how to get him to seek help.
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soyoungmikey
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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First of all how would you know if he was bipolar or not? If you are not trained such a diagnosis would be virtually impossible since most of lay persons conceptions of mental illness are influenced by pop-culture (music, movie references etc) and are largely devoid of fact.
See this for instance: http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/psychology/781/dsm.htm
As to how to talk to him about his mental health issues? Well as someone who has had these talks with friends and family I would suggest just coming out and talking about it. Possibly he wants to talk about it and is afraid to do so.
For help, please look at some of Harpeau's posts. He has provided some useful links and contact information for people to seek help in Korea.
Finally, if is a good friend and living with you, I 'd suggest be open, accepting, non-judgmental to anything he might say. Be a good friend to him and all should work out. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Wait, wait...someone who is married is going crazy?
I'd investigate marriage as the cause of insanity before I'd leap to any conclusion regarding a psychological condition. |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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soyoungmikey wrote: |
First of all how would you know if he was bipolar or not? �If you are not trained such a diagnosis would be virtually impossible since most of lay persons conceptions of mental illness are influenced by pop-culture (music, movie references etc) and are largely devoid of fact.�
See this for instance: http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/psychology/781/dsm.htm
As to how to talk to him about his mental health issues? �Well as someone who has had these talks with friends and family I would suggest just coming out and talking about it. �Possibly he wants to talk about it and is afraid to do so.
For help, please look at some of Harpeau's posts. �He has provided some useful links and contact information for people to seek help in Korea.
Finally, if �is a good friend and living with you, I 'd suggest be open, accepting, non-judgmental to anything he might say. �Be a good friend to him and all should work out. |
Several of my friends have expressed complaints to me about him
being very insensitive. My roommate has said that there is something off about his behavior. Further, he often stays out at night for hours at a PC-bang leading me to wonder how much sleep he really gets.
Also, before he returned to Korea, I had actually quit talking with for a�
couple of years as I had gotten sick of his abusive behavior. However, he got back in touch with me and promised that he had changed. For example, he had mostly quit drinking and was a much more pleasant person to be around. So, he had in fact changed for the better.
Unfortunately, sometime after he suddenly decided to get married to Korean girl he had literally just met, he has gone back to his old self. Whenever I meet him, I often find myself having to listen to long and ridiculous rants just like when I had first met him.
Anyways, while my roommate and I were having our long discussion about him, suddenly occurred to me that his behavior might be the result of a mental illness. So, I did some google searches. Also, taking into account other compulsive behaviors of his that I have not mentioned, the website below seemed to confirm my �idea.
http://helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm
Well, I just wanted to explain why I think that he might be bipolar. Perhaps, you may have further insight based on what I have said.
Anyways, thanks for the advice. I will talk to him openly about this although I am concerned that he will not listen to me as he often dismisses what I have to say. Also, I will look into Harpeau's posts. |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Wait, wait...someone who is married is going crazy?
I'd investigate marriage as the cause of insanity before I'd leap to any conclusion regarding a psychological condition. |
I wouldn't equate being bipolar with being crazy. Also, I read today that getting married can sometimes be a trigger for bringing about a manic state in people with bipolar disorder.
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drydell
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: |
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So you did a google search on 'Bipolar' and now you feel suitably educated to diagnose someone with a complex psychiatric condition..
Advice - stay away from using google to diagnose any medical condition...
that goes for all you lot diagnosing your hagwan kids with autism and all manner of SEN conditions just cos you did a bit of SEN work back home... |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:05 am Post subject: |
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My medical school teacher who taught us psychiatry once said:
Many people (including himself)are bipolar, its only a matter of degree, and not all of them need treatment, not all of them lead to self-destruction. Lots of workaholic people turn out to be bipolar. If they are smart and capable, they might even achieve great success. Like Wagner.
Bipolar people seem to affect people around them more than themselves because their emotions can change dramatically very quickly but they are not aware of it. My current boss is like this and it gives us a big difficult time to follow his minds.
I just added something to reply the post above mine:
To diagnose someone with a specific condition is not easy, but very often doctors don't understand a patient as their families or friends do. especially when it comes to psychiatry, lots of diagnoses are based on observation or narrating from the families and friends (symptoms and history) rather than laboratory examination, its possible to get a correct diagnosis by someone who know the patient better than a doctor. |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:18 am Post subject: |
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drydell wrote: |
So you did a google search on 'Bipolar' and now you feel suitably educated to diagnose someone with a complex psychiatric condition..
Advice - stay away from using google to diagnose any medical condition...
that goes for all you lot diagnosing your hagwan kids with autism and all manner of SEN conditions just cos you did a bit of SEN work back home... |
Note that my statements make use of "might be" and not "is". So, I am not saying that I am suddenly an expert on this. Anyways, without such websites, I would just write my friend off as an occasional asshole. Then, it would never occur to me to suggest that he seek help. |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Wait, wait...someone who is married is going crazy?
I'd investigate marriage as the cause of insanity before I'd leap to any conclusion regarding a psychological condition. |
I thought it was you have to be crazy to get married. Just like you have to be crazy to be an EFL teacher. |
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Sus
Joined: 14 Dec 2009 Location: Guri-City
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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If your friend is depressed and/or bipolar, it is worth a chat with him before things go to far. Many of us are alone out here, without a family or strong support systems. When someone needs emotional help, it takes a good friend to point it out and try to help. Say your piece, express concern and offer advice on how to get help. |
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: I think a friend of mine is bipolar.... |
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Konglishman wrote: |
Last night, after having a long discussion with my roommate, I came to the conclusion that a certain friend of mine might be bipolar. At the moment, this friend is occasionally staying with us as he is having some marital problems (due in part to him having rushed into a marriage with a Korean girl who he barely knows and can barely communicate with). Anyways, I am all ears on ideas for how to discuss this with my friend and ultimately how to get him to seek help. |
I do not mean to pry, but did you happen to notice if your friend has six fingers on his right hand? |
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BobbyOrr
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I had a friend in high school who we all loved and thought of as wacky and fun. She ended up having a blow-out night and ended up in jail, then the pysch-unit. Ended up working out for her. She got diagnosed, medicated and she's doing well.
I have an aunt, who everyone loved and thought of as wacky and fun. My mother (her sister in law) spent lots of time in the summer with my aunt. My mother noticed worrying changes in her behaviour. My mother, out of concern, told my aunt that she was worried about her and that maybe there were problems with the meds she was on.
My aunt flipped out. My aunt also went on ruin her marriage, something that never would have happened if she was properly managed.
All that to stay. It's very, very difficult to bring these things up and sadly, sometimes there's nothing you can do. Best of luck. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Panda wrote: |
My medical school teacher who taught us psychiatry once said:
Many people (including himself)are bipolar, its only a matter of degree, and not all of them need treatment, not all of them lead to self-destruction. Lots of workaholic people turn out to be bipolar. If they are smart and capable, they might even achieve great success. Like Wagner.
Bipolar people seem to affect people around them more than themselves because their emotions can change dramatically very quickly but they are not aware of it. My current boss is like this and it gives us a big difficult time to follow his minds.
I just added something to reply the post above mine:
To diagnose someone with a specific condition is not easy, but very often doctors don't understand a patient as their families or friends do. especially when it comes to psychiatry, lots of diagnoses are based on observation or narrating from the families and friends (symptoms and history) rather than laboratory examination, its possible to get a correct diagnosis by someone who know the patient better than a doctor. |
My wife says we're all bipolar to a certain degree. She learned that when she was getting her nursing degree. |
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Dazed and Confused
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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You've stated that your friend drinks alot, sleeps little, and is in a stressful/bad relationship. Who wouldn't be crazy???? |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: I think a friend of mine is bipolar.... |
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Died By Bear wrote: |
Konglishman wrote: |
Last night, after having a long discussion with my roommate, I came to the conclusion that a certain friend of mine might be bipolar. At the moment, this friend is occasionally staying with us as he is having some marital problems (due in part to him having rushed into a marriage with a Korean girl who he barely knows and can barely communicate with). Anyways, I am all ears on ideas for how to discuss this with my friend and ultimately how to get him to seek help. |
I do not mean to pry, but did you happen to notice if your friend has six fingers on his right hand? |
No, unless there is something I never noticed, he has only 5 fingers on each hand.
Speaking of which, about 2 weeks ago, I could not bring myself to mention my bipolar disorder. Instead, I simply told that there are a lot of things he does, which upset a lot of people around him and asked him to put some thought into that. Then, after listening to him going off on a rant against my roommate and I, he did finally admit he has probably lost a lot of friends.
I don't know... Part of what is going might be related to the fact that he did grow up in a semi-high crime area.
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