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Foreigners Have Misconception of Korea
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Foreigners Have Misconception of Korea Reply with quote

William Oberlin, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Korea (AMCHAM Korea), called for improving stiff labor relations..."Korea needs to find a Korean paradigm that fits its unique local situation, instead of looking for models in the labor-management relations out of Korea.''

the prevailing foreign sentiment of Korea is anti-business, which is quite different from the reality.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200404/kt2004042117302311860.htm

Is Korea anti-business? Is Korea anti-foreign business?
Do foreigners really have a misconception about Korea?
How would Koreans create a Korean paradigm of the labor-management relationship?

Korean Employers
Korean society is extremely hierarchical, like most East Asian societies. In Korea, the boss is the boss. Keep in mind that employees are not expected to question decisions made by their employers or to challenge their authority, especially in the presence of others. You should therefore be careful about how you deal with your employer.

Most Koreans do not view deviations from a contract as a "breach," and few Koreans would consider taking an employer to court over a contract dispute. Instead, Koreans tend to view contracts as infinitely flexible and subject to further negotiation. Koreans see business less as a legally based interaction than a relationship. The contract thus is only as binding as the personal connection.

Korean society is not egalitarian: a person's status is strictly defined in relation to others. How do foreigners fit into this scheme? The simple answer is they don't. Korean society thus remains very inwardly focused.
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/main/pubs/korea-en.asp
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true- I wish someone had told me that at the very start.
Right or wrong, culture or crime, I don't think their workplace practises are going to become more westernised very quickly. If you plan on being in Korea for a while, its a process of understanding and fitting into their way of doing things,- for all except the worst situations.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Koreans see business less as a legally based interaction than a relationship. The contract thus is only as binding as the personal connection

But "the boss is the boss" ... my point is it's not anything even remotely like a "relationship" ...

Korea is 40 years behind the west in terms of business practice. They deserve to reap what they sow ....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Korea is 40 years behind the west in terms of business practice.

Rolling Eyes
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kiwiboy_nz_99



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think posting a single emoticon forwards your argument at all Homer?

You have nothing to say, so you post an icon as if it somehow means something ...
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phaedrus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
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Koreans see business less as a legally based interaction than a relationship. The contract thus is only as binding as the personal connection

But "the boss is the boss" ... my point is it's not anything even remotely like a "relationship" ...

Korea is 40 years behind the west in terms of business practice. They deserve to reap what they sow ....


Yeah, so ultimately the personal relationship is based on how much ass you kiss.

The more you agree with your boss, do everything they say without question, and work more for less, the better your relationship.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Kiwi,


Thats not it at all.

Try again.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners Have Misconception of Korea Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:

Korean society is not egalitarian: a person's status is strictly defined in relation to others. How do foreigners fit into this scheme? The simple answer is they don't. Korean society thus remains very inwardly focused.


I disagree with this because I work for a Korean company and fit into the hierchy between my boss and those who work under me.
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
You think posting a single emoticon forwards your argument at all Homer?

You have nothing to say, so you post an icon as if it somehow means something ...


If HOmer was full of himself or consistently egotistical, it would work.

He isn't, so it doesn't.


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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
No Kiwi,


Thats not it at all.

Try again.


Rolling Eyes
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not trolling, just the facts...
The only thing wrong with korea is that is has to many koreans in it. They can be their own worst enemy most of the time.
Only tunnel vision, long on rhetoric and short on specifics.
Change is good if it is positive and while most koreans agree that changes are needed, no one wants to step up to bat! Those that do get shot down by the same ones wanting a change! It just goes around in circles. And that is a shame because the people of korea have so much potential if they would just open up and dump the korean way of doing things. Face it, the korean way of doing it is not working. A 4/5 thousand year old history.... they should be way ahead other countries.
It's all about "how much money can I get if I help this person."
It's in the news everyday about the bad business practices, graft, bribes, etc.
Geesh! Can't even get an impeachemnt right!
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:24 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I understand what you're saying about contracts. A really small thing won't bother me so much. Extra work without overtime, the wrong type of housing (eg. not single, as specified), I sure care about.

Also, lying is lying. Plain and simple.
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phaedrus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
I understand what you're saying about contracts. A really small thing won't bother me so much. Extra work without overtime, the wrong type of housing (eg. not single, as specified), I sure care about.

Also, lying is lying. Plain and simple.


Exactly.

When people say that contracts in Korea are often ignored so we shouldn't worry about them, they have to be careful of what they are defending.

I understand that a Korean employer would want you gone if your relationship fell through, and labour law allows this with a months notice.

The fact that a Korean boss doesn't put much faith in a contract doesn't mean that they can change everything all the time for their benefit. Evil or Very Mad

It just means they have to be extra diligent in rewarding you beyond the written contract if you are doing a good job. Very Happy
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peemil



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are way behind the rest of the world. Inward looking, dishonest and have awful business practices. Let them rot.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peemil wrote:
Koreans are way behind the rest of the world. Inward looking, dishonest and have awful business practices. Let them rot.

I agree totally. But this doesn't account for the fact korea is the world's (12th?) largest economy, a real asian tiger. How did they get this far, i often wonder....
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