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Wacko Quacko



Joined: 11 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject: University jobs: where to begin? Reply with quote

This is my 3rd year teaching in a middle public school. There is so much talk about job cuts flying around these days so I'm thinking about jumping to the university system. I have an MA and teaching certificate and will have 3 years experience at the end of this year. Anyone have any idea where to start looking?
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ren546



Joined: 17 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try outside of Seoul. What's your MA in? What kind of teaching certificate? Are you teaching high-school students?

The job market is over-saturated right now, so even the lower-end universities can be (and are) picky. Still, having an MA and experience definitely helps. Good luck!
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Wacko Quacko



Joined: 11 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback. My MA is in English Lit and the education degree qualifies me to teach elementary in Canada. I teach middle school. Can you recommend and universities outside the city that may be hiring? I'm definitely not opposed to rural life.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

read your pm, I'm not going to recommend you but there hiring at the moment. You should get in at instructor level.

Wacko Quacko wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. My MA is in English Lit and the education degree qualifies me to teach elementary in Canada. I teach middle school. Can you recommend and universities outside the city that may be hiring? I'm definitely not opposed to rural life.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh the good old days when you could find a nice job in a day or less (average time was about 3 days). Crying or Very sad
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your qualifications will probably get you an interview pretty much anywhere.

As for only "outside Seoul", that just isn't true. You could get something in Seoul provided again, you have a good portfolio, interview and teaching demo and are on top of where and when to apply.

There are a wealth of qualified people out there right now, and most of the big universities are looking for graduate credentials only. This requisite makes a smaller pool to draw from, but doesn't necessarily mean more competition within that pool, if you know what I mean.

With your credentials the question you should (and will) be asked is why you went the PS route for so long. From an interviewer's point of view, this looks odd. If you want it, get on it. The longer you wait, the stranger it seems. In the meantime, move away from teaching kids at least; this isn't viewed very highly and doesn't make for strong 'experience', which is important.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.

Carbon wrote:
Your qualifications will probably get you an interview pretty much anywhere.

As for only "outside Seoul", that just isn't true. You could get something in Seoul provided again, you have a good portfolio, interview and teaching demo and are on top of where and when to apply.

There are a wealth of qualified people out there right now, and most of the big universities are looking for graduate credentials only. This requisite makes a smaller pool to draw from, but doesn't necessarily mean more competition within that pool, if you know what I mean.

With your credentials the question you should (and will) be asked is why you went the PS route for so long. From an interviewer's point of view, this looks odd. If you want it, get on it. The longer you wait, the stranger it seems. In the meantime, move away from teaching kids at least; this isn't viewed very highly and doesn't make for strong 'experience', which is important.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malislamusrex wrote:
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.



Sorry, but no.

To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.

I have no idea what "Not really MA and 1 year is minimum." means.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.



Sorry, but no.

To be a full "����" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "�ʱ���" or "�α���" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "����" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.

I have no idea what "Not really MA and 1 year is minimum." means.


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ren546



Joined: 17 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
As for only "outside Seoul", that just isn't true. You could get something in Seoul provided again, you have a good portfolio, interview and teaching demo and are on top of where and when to apply.


Possible, but unlikely. Most of the better jobs want at least a few years of university experience. The pay is low at a lot of others with lower standards. Still worth it, though, if you want to get your foot in the door.

Outside of Seoul (or even close to Seoul) is almost a sure thing.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ren546 wrote:

Possible, but unlikely. Most of the better jobs want at least a few years of university experience. The pay is low at a lot of others with lower standards. Still worth it, though, if you want to get your foot in the door.

Outside of Seoul (or even close to Seoul) is almost a sure thing.


But possible. Glad we agree.

OP...go for it. Why not? Only losers don't even try.
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Malislamusrex



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a job offer from a uni, I was their guy and everything was going through as planned, then from nowhere..... administration said without a document proving prior experience and living in Korea for one year they couldn't do a E1 visa application.

But this just might be because it was one of the better universities and they didn't want a guy there with no prior uni experience, I don't know but they seemed pretty sure.

Carbon wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.



Sorry, but no.

To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.

I have no idea what "Not really MA and 1 year is minimum." means.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.



Sorry, but no.

To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.


Actually, you can get E1 and "교수" with any terminal degree in your field (in some fields the masters is the terminal degree).

In some cases you can even get it with an ABD (been there, done that, got the ID card and T-shirt).

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waseige1



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Opinions... Reply with quote

My grandfather had a great saying.....

There is something to always remember about other people's advice.
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That is exactly what it is "advice".

I am just finishing three years in a public middle school. I am over 50. I do have a masters in a completely unrelated field. I also got my Celta last year.

I decided to start looking for a uni job. I did not have referrals inside any uni. I simply answered ads from Dave's and other places.

I got 12 interviews. I got 4 offers (one of them in Seoul).

All the advice said... I am too old. The competition is too hot. Yada, yada, yada.....

I was very pleased how marketable I turned out to be.

I have another friend that has a BA degree, a generic TESOL cert (not online) and three years experience in Korea public schools. He is 56. He found a uni job this year too (IN SEOUL). He knew no one at the uni ahead of the interview.

Everyone is looking for the "key" to get into universities. I don't think there is one. Start your search and see where it goes.


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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Carbon wrote:
Malislamusrex wrote:
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.

But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.



Sorry, but no.

To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.


Actually, you can get E1 and "교수" with any terminal degree in your field (in some fields the masters is the terminal degree).

In some cases you can even get it with an ABD (been there, done that, got the ID card and T-shirt).

.


Not arguing with you, but I have never seen or heard of any self-respecting university award and E1 to an individual with only a BA. I believe this is a government regulation, but perhaps you are aware of some asterisk that I am not. I teach at a top uni and I know for a fact that we cannot give the E1 visa to anyone with out an MA. Of course, I am talking within the confines of Korean EFL.
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