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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Carbon wrote: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.
But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.
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Sorry, but no.
To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there. |
Actually, you can get E1 and "교수" with any terminal degree in your field (in some fields the masters is the terminal degree).
In some cases you can even get it with an ABD (been there, done that, got the ID card and T-shirt).
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Not arguing with you, but I have never seen or heard of any self-respecting university award and E1 to an individual with only a BA. I believe this is a government regulation, but perhaps you are aware of some asterisk that I am not. I teach at a top uni and I know for a fact that we cannot give the E1 visa to anyone with out an MA. Of course, I am talking within the confines of Korean EFL. |
Where did I say anything about a BA (or other undergrad degree).
Terminal degree (sometimes a masters, sometimes a PhD depending on the field).
ABD also known as PhD (ABD); all but dissertation.
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Opinions... |
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My grandfather had a great saying.....
There is something to always remember about other people's advice.
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That is exactly what it is "advice".
I am just finishing three years in a public middle school. I am over 50. I do have a masters in a completely unrelated fiend. I also got my Celta last year.
I decided to start looking for a uni job. I did not have referrals inside any uni. I simply answered ads from Dave's and other places.
I got 12 interviews. I got 4 offers (one of them in Seoul).
All the advice said... I am too old. The competition is too hot. Yada, yada, yada.....
I was very pleased how marketable I turned out to be.
I have another friend that has a BA degree, a generic TESOL cert (not online) and three years experience in Korea public schools. He is 56. He found a uni job this year too (IN SEOUL). He knew no one at the uni ahead of the interview.
Everyone is looking for the "key" to get into universities. I don't think there is one. Start your search and see where it goes. |
DINGDINGDINGDING WE HAVE A WINNER!
Exactly. I generally stopped responding to these threads, because all the naysayers are wrong. If you have the experience, if you present yourself well, you can get a job. Seoul is not Mecca, an MA is not the golden ticket, etc. If you got what it takes, you can get the job. If you don't, you won't. (and then you end up being a naysayer!)  |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Where did I say anything about a BA (or other undergrad degree).
Terminal degree (sometimes a masters, sometimes a PhD depending on the field).
ABD also known as PhD (ABD); all but dissertation.
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Well, jargon away, but you aren't saying anything.
A terminal degree is never a BA in Korean EFL and E-1 visas are only given to those with a MA or higher. So why say this:
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| Actually, you can get E1 and "교수" with any terminal degree in your field (in some fields the masters is the terminal degree). |
The only scenario in which your point may be worth mentioning is if discussing fields outside of EFL, in which case your post was lacking context (the thread title is far from obtuse), rendering it irrelevant to the discussion.
Why lead off with "Actually" when what follows is not in context? |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Opinions... |
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
| waseige1 wrote: |
My grandfather had a great saying.....
There is something to always remember about other people's advice.
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That is exactly what it is "advice".
I am just finishing three years in a public middle school. I am over 50. I do have a masters in a completely unrelated fiend. I also got my Celta last year.
I decided to start looking for a uni job. I did not have referrals inside any uni. I simply answered ads from Dave's and other places.
I got 12 interviews. I got 4 offers (one of them in Seoul).
All the advice said... I am too old. The competition is too hot. Yada, yada, yada.....
I was very pleased how marketable I turned out to be.
I have another friend that has a BA degree, a generic TESOL cert (not online) and three years experience in Korea public schools. He is 56. He found a uni job this year too (IN SEOUL). He knew no one at the uni ahead of the interview.
Everyone is looking for the "key" to get into universities. I don't think there is one. Start your search and see where it goes. |
DINGDINGDINGDING WE HAVE A WINNER!
Exactly. I generally stopped responding to these threads, because all the naysayers are wrong. If you have the experience, if you present yourself well, you can get a job. Seoul is not Mecca, an MA is not the golden ticket, etc. If you got what it takes, you can get the job. If you don't, you won't. (and then you end up being a naysayer!) |
56 year old dude with the BA is LUCKY. So much so that I almost don't believe this story. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Opinions... |
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56 year old dude with the BA is LUCKY. So much so that I almost don't believe this story. |
Ya, I am sure it easier for you that way. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Where did I say anything about a BA (or other undergrad degree).
Terminal degree (sometimes a masters, sometimes a PhD depending on the field).
ABD also known as PhD (ABD); all but dissertation.
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Well, jargon away, but you aren't saying anything.
A terminal degree is never a BA in Korean EFL and E-1 visas are only given to those with a MA or higher. So why say this:
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| Actually, you can get E1 and "����" with any terminal degree in your field (in some fields the masters is the terminal degree). |
The only scenario in which your point may be worth mentioning is if discussing fields outside of EFL, in which case your post was lacking context (the thread title is far from oobtuse), rendering it irrelevant to the discussion.
Why lead off with "Actually" when what follows is not in context? |
He said actually because you said the only way to get the title ��gyosu�� is to have a doctorate. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: |
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He said actually because you said the only way to get the title ��gyosu�� is to have a doctorate. |
Again, within the context of this discussion, "actually" pertains to nothing corrective. He is referring to something outside of this discussion, a.k.a., being "off-topic". "in your field" was a clear indication that he was doing so; bringing other disciplines into the discussion to either illustrate my post as being incorrect, or to obfuscate. The added touch of thoughtfully explaining to my sorry self what ABD meant, along with "been there, done that" was just icing. "Terminal degree" is quite arcane language, no? Maybe he wants to be more than a reference for immigration matters? However, with TP being a local hero, I suspect I am inviting ire....and nobody wants that.  |
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rhizome
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions... |
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| waseige1 wrote: |
My grandfather had a great saying.....
There is something to always remember about other people's advice.
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That is exactly what it is "advice".
I am just finishing three years in a public middle school. I am over 50. I do have a masters in a completely unrelated field. I also got my Celta last year.
I decided to start looking for a uni job. I did not have referrals inside any uni. I simply answered ads from Dave's and other places.
I got 12 interviews. I got 4 offers (one of them in Seoul).
All the advice said... I am too old. The competition is too hot. Yada, yada, yada.....
I was very pleased how marketable I turned out to be.
I have another friend that has a BA degree, a generic TESOL cert (not online) and three years experience in Korea public schools. He is 56. He found a uni job this year too (IN SEOUL). He knew no one at the uni ahead of the interview.
Everyone is looking for the "key" to get into universities. I don't think there is one. Start your search and see where it goes. |
I have to post quickly and run (apologies - it's annoying when people do that, I know), but I wanted to thank you for taking the time to write that post. Glad to hear things worked out for you the way they did, and your story gives me a lot of hope for my own situation. |
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Technically you can get an E1 with only an undergrad degree if you have 3 or more years previous university teaching experience. I knew of 3 cases in the past. Perhaps immigration has recently changed the regulations. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| What are the pluses of having an E1 versus an E2. What is the difference in benefits to us? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I can answer that one.... Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa. I was was chosen by the department with an MA, but without 1 years of experience admin said I couldn't get an E1.
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| What are the pluses of having an E1 versus an E2. What is the difference in benefits to us? |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| What are the pluses of having an E1 versus an E2. What is the difference in benefits to us? |
No CBC or health check. You also don't need to have your degrees verified/apostilled/whatever. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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In my extensive experience, I must agree with some of the previous posters who have basically said the most important thing in getting any job in Korea is, "right place at the right time."
I am sure there will be others who will disagree.
But, I will say from my perspective, the odds of being in the right place at the right time are getting smaller and smaller as the number of well-qualified, nicely dressed, well-spoken, blah, blah, blah candidates are increasing rapidly.
But, I have seen it a million times: why did they hire that person? I don't know. I guess he or she was just the right person at the right time. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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In my extensive experience, I must agree with some of the previous posters who have basically said the most important thing in getting any job in Korea is, "right place at the right time."
I am sure there will be others who will disagree.
But, I will say from my perspective, the odds of being in the right place at the right time are getting smaller and smaller as the number of well-qualified, nicely dressed, well-spoken, blah, blah, blah candidates are increasing rapidly.
But, I have seen it a million times: why did they hire that person? I don't know. I guess he or she was just the right person at the right time. |
So its all just luck & timing then? No, far from it.
Knowing people is a critical step, then you will need competitive qualifications and strong teaching ability. I would sooner put my faith in these than 'time & place', serendipitous nonsense.
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| I can answer that one.... Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa. I was was chosen by the department with an MA, but without 1 years of experience admin said I couldn't get an E1. |
I don't think you can answer that one. At least not with the answer you provided. No job can "require applicants with an E1 visa". Perhaps the ability to obtain one after gaining employment, but you won't get one prior top being employed. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you know better than the university's administration office, I think they will have them consult you on issues regarding visas in future..... maybe your opinions can earn you some commission
If you are teaching English you can be hired at any level with an E2 visa. If you are being asked to take a professor / lecturer job, and teaching content that is not ESL you need a E1 visa.
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In my extensive experience, I must agree with some of the previous posters who have basically said the most important thing in getting any job in Korea is, "right place at the right time."
I am sure there will be others who will disagree.
But, I will say from my perspective, the odds of being in the right place at the right time are getting smaller and smaller as the number of well-qualified, nicely dressed, well-spoken, blah, blah, blah candidates are increasing rapidly.
But, I have seen it a million times: why did they hire that person? I don't know. I guess he or she was just the right person at the right time. |
So its all just luck & timing then? No, far from it.
Knowing people is a critical step, then you will need competitive qualifications and strong teaching ability. I would sooner put my faith in these than 'time & place', serendipitous nonsense.
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| I can answer that one.... Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa. I was was chosen by the department with an MA, but without 1 years of experience admin said I couldn't get an E1. |
I don't think you can answer that one. At least not with the answer you provided. No job can "require applicants with an E1 visa". Perhaps the ability to obtain one after gaining employment, but you won't get one prior top being employed. |
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