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Kuros
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 Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:41 am Post subject: Ontarian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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The 1812 Overture
On Jan 1, the American side of Niagara Falls agreed to participate in Canada's celebration of . . . their "victory" over America in 1812. I cannot wait until the inevitable Ontarian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war.
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�The heroic efforts of those who fought for our country in the War of 1812 tell the story of the Canada we know today: an independent and free country with a constitutional monarchy and its own distinct parliamentary system,� says James Moore, the minister of Canadian Heritage.
That wraps the maple syrup of truth in the waffle of propaganda. Although Canada did not become a self-governing country until 1867, the 1812 war did help to forge a common identity among disparate colonists, many of whom were Americans who had come north out of loyalty to the Crown or in search of cheap land. But the Indians did more to foil the American invasion than the Canadian militia, and the British reneged on a promise to reward them with land, according to Alan Taylor, a historian of the war. The Canadian side won mainly because the Americans were poorly led, supplied and organised. Both sides plundered and murdered civilians.
If Americans paid much attention to Canada, they might be offended. Instead they seem bemused. �I�ve never heard of two countries trying to figure out how to have a party over a war,� said Rick Snyder, Michigan�s governor, during a recent visit. |
Might be offended. Hard to get really upset about a war the upstart US fought against the world power British and to a draw.
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
You can't wait until one of them brings up the topic...so instead you provoke them with insults and hope that will get them to bring it up?
Interesting maneuver.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
You can't wait until one of them brings up the topic...so instead you provoke them with insults and hope that will get them to bring it up?
Interesting maneuver. |
What insults? Are you aware that I posted an article from the Economist, a British news and analysis site? But yes, I said I cannot wait, as in I am eager to hear it. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh God!!! Undoubtedly this will also bring on rants about the avro arrow and who knows what other boring stuff. |
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weso1
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Sure they burned the White House. But as I recall, the war didn't end for another 3 years.
And there there's this bit: "We cannot keep Canada if the Americans declare war against us again." Admiral Sir David Milne, 1817
Yeah Canada. You're only a country because we decided not to invade you. Just remember that before you get on your high horse.
Reminds of a song, maybe you've heard it?
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**
We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Dont provoke them. If burning a building is the high point of their history let it go. One more monologue about health care and I might snap and do a bad thing. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Canada didn't even become fully independent from Britain until 1982. Spare me the War of 1812 talk. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Canada didn't even become fully independent from Britain until 1982. Spare me the War of 1812 talk. |
Soooo... by that logic, anything prior to the 1770's is off limits for Americans?
Best to start editing all of those American Glory type text books.
| Kuros wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
You can't wait until one of them brings up the topic...so instead you provoke them with insults and hope that will get them to bring it up?
Interesting maneuver. |
What insults? Are you aware that I posted an article from the Economist, a British news and analysis site? But yes, I said I cannot wait, as in I am eager to hear it. |
Your attempt at trying to sound impartial seems odd when one looks at your edit to the article's title. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Soooo... by that logic, anything prior to the 1770's is off limits for Americans?
Best to start editing all of those American Glory type text books. |
Yes exactly. The French and Indian War started in 1754 and was fought between France and Great Britain- not the USA. There was no USA in 1754. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| weso1 wrote: |
Yeah Canada. You're only a country because we decided not to invade you. Just remember that before you get on your high horse.
Reminds of a song, maybe you've heard it?
[i]In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.
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I always thought it was the French pirate Jean Lafitte (ca. 1776 � ca. 1823) that drove out the red Coats during the battle of New Orleans in 1815 when "Old Hickory" had his back to the wall, was out of powder and ready to tuck tail and run.
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12ax7
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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| Kuros wrote: |
The 1812 Overture
On Jan 1, the American side of Niagara Falls agreed to participate in Canada's celebration of . . . their "victory" over America in 1812. I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war.
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�The heroic efforts of those who fought for our country in the War of 1812 tell the story of the Canada we know today: an independent and free country with a constitutional monarchy and its own distinct parliamentary system,� says James Moore, the minister of Canadian Heritage.
That wraps the maple syrup of truth in the waffle of propaganda. Although Canada did not become a self-governing country until 1867, the 1812 war did help to forge a common identity among disparate colonists, many of whom were Americans who had come north out of loyalty to the Crown or in search of cheap land. But the Indians did more to foil the American invasion than the Canadian militia, and the British reneged on a promise to reward them with land, according to Alan Taylor, a historian of the war. The Canadian side won mainly because the Americans were poorly led, supplied and organised. Both sides plundered and murdered civilians.
If Americans paid much attention to Canada, they might be offended. Instead they seem bemused. �I�ve never heard of two countries trying to figure out how to have a party over a war,� said Rick Snyder, Michigan�s governor, during a recent visit. |
Might be offended. Hard to get really upset about a war the upstart US fought against the world power British and to a draw. |
I read the article. You and the reporter may have missed the boat. You need to read between the lines. Harper's been criticized for being too pro-American (the criticism started long before he became the Prime Minister), and so it's probably wise to take the minister's comment with a grain of salt. |
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rollo
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No the battle of new Orleans the British tried to take a fortified position with an infantry charge. Their general was killed within the first few minutes of the battle. Actually the real heros for the Americans were some free blacks and some slaves who aided Jackson's small force. The loss of their leader totally fouled up communications for the Brits But it was American militia defeating trained experienced British troops
Damnit the Canadians have all ready picked up the scent, next a thread about the Avro arrow.
The point; a small new nation with almost no navy fought the largest empire in the world to a stand still on both land and sea and at the end was gaining an advantage. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
You can't wait until one of them brings up the topic...so instead you provoke them with insults and hope that will get them to bring it up?
Interesting maneuver. |
What insults? Are you aware that I posted an article from the Economist, a British news and analysis site? But yes, I said I cannot wait, as in I am eager to hear it. |
Your attempt at trying to sound impartial seems odd when one looks at your edit to the article's title. |
The title isn't meant portray impartiality, its meant to attract eyes and keep the thread near the top. Its common custom in CE to post articles under provocative titles in order to, as Big Bird would say, "stir the shit."
Now, I'm not exactly going to participate in a nationalist pissing contest, but I am going to have a chuckle, thank you very much. Let me assure you, I've been on the other end of enough Ontarian nonsense (Canucks from elsewhere have always been cool) that I took some interest in this article.
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| You need to read between the lines. Harper's been criticized for being too pro-American (the criticism started long before he became the Prime Minister), and so it's probably wise to take the minister's comment with a grain of salt. |
Yes, that makes a lot of sense. I doubt this stunt will be enough to get past Harper's support of the Iraq War, though. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I cannot wait until the inevitable Canadian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
You can't wait until one of them brings up the topic...so instead you provoke them with insults and hope that will get them to bring it up?
Interesting maneuver. |
What insults? Are you aware that I posted an article from the Economist, a British news and analysis site? But yes, I said I cannot wait, as in I am eager to hear it. |
Your attempt at trying to sound impartial seems odd when one looks at your edit to the article's title. |
The title isn't meant portray impartiality, its meant to attract eyes and keep the thread near the top. Its common custom in CE to post articles under provocative titles in order to, as Big Bird would say, "stir the shit."
Now, I'm not exactly going to participate in a nationalist pissing contest, but I am going to have a chuckle, thank you very much. Let me assure you, I've been on the other end of enough Ontarian nonsense (Canucks from elsewhere have always been cool) that I took some interest in this article. |
Well, you seem to have your agenda well thought out.
| radcon wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Soooo... by that logic, anything prior to the 1770's is off limits for Americans?
Best to start editing all of those American Glory type text books. |
Yes exactly. The French and Indian War started in 1754 and was fought between France and Great Britain- not the USA. There was no USA in 1754. |
And this lovely American holiday?? Not a big part of American lore, is it? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
No the battle of new Orleans the British tried to take a fortified position with an infantry charge. Their general was killed within the first few minutes of the battle. Actually the real heros for the Americans were some free blacks and some slaves who aided Jackson's small force. The loss of their leader totally fouled up communications for the Brits But it was American militia defeating trained experienced British troops
Damnit the Canadians have all ready picked up the scent, next a thread about the Avro arrow.
The point; a small new nation with almost no navy fought the largest empire in the world to a stand still on both land and sea and at the end was gaining an advantage. |
Arguably had it not been for French help America would not have succeeded. |
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