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WOW. So I guess those space heaters are NOT worth it??
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is so delicious



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: WOW. So I guess those space heaters are NOT worth it?? Reply with quote

Made what I had heard was a good investment and bought two space heaters, one for my room, one for the guest room, which I sometimes rent out. Electricity bill for this month, compared to an average of 20,000 - 30,000, is 266,000W.

Can this possibly be right??? I am absolutely stunned. This has to be four times what I've ever paid, in any house, in any winter. How can this be??
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that's right.

One, electricity bills are tiered. The first tier is cheap. The second tier is much more expensive and smaller. The third tier is insane and small. etc.... So the difference between X kW and Y kW might be a few kW, but the price difference could be huge if X and Y are in different price tiers.

Two, space heaters use a TON of electricity. A standard 60 watt light bulb uses - you guessed it - 60 watts. Multiply that out, it's 60 watts per hour, 600 watts per 10 hours 6 kW over 100 hours. Compare that to a standard heater that uses 1500 watts. It uses 1.5 kW per hour, 15 kW per 10 hours, and 150 kW per 100 hours.

I'm sure you can do the math... Your electricity usage has skyrocketed, through the tiers, to the point that you pay a lot.

Simple fact is, Korea imports 100% of it's energy. If you use more than the minimums, you get burned. Gas, electric, petrol, whatever. You have to be frugal.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
Yeah, that's right.

One, electricity bills are tiered. The first tier is cheap. The second tier is much more expensive and smaller. The third tier is insane and small. etc.... So the difference between X kW and Y kW might be a few kW, but the price difference could be huge if X and Y are in different price tiers.

Two, space heaters use a TON of electricity. A standard 60 watt light bulb uses - you guessed it - 60 watts. Multiply that out, it's 60 watts per hour, 600 watts per 10 hours 6 kW over 100 hours. Compare that to a standard heater that uses 1500 watts. It uses 1.5 kW per hour, 15 kW per 10 hours, and 150 kW per 100 hours.

I'm sure you can do the math... Your electricity usage has skyrocketed, through the tiers, to the point that you pay a lot.

Simple fact is, Korea imports 100% of it's energy. If you use more than the minimums, you get burned. Gas, electric, petrol, whatever. You have to be frugal.



Usually you can get put on the lower TIER by lower usage. Usually in the summertime I get put up into the upper TIERS. My September elec. bill is usually pretty high. Then in the fall and winter I don't use much electricity (the Aircon is not on). So when it comes time for warmer weather, I'm back in the bottom TIER.

The OP maybe stuck in the upper TIER if he keeps using Electricity. That means come summertime and he cranks up his AC, the 266,000w bill will look tiny comparatively.
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seoul101



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pkang, I don't believe you're put into only one tier and stuck there - isn't it just your usage that's tiered (like income tax). For example, the first 100,000KW you use will cost x amount per unit, 100,001-150,000 will cost more per unit, and so on..

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoul101 wrote:
Pkang, I don't believe you're put into only one tier and stuck there - isn't it just your usage that's tiered (like income tax). For example, the first 100,000KW you use will cost x amount per unit, 100,001-150,000 will cost more per unit, and so on..

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


No, this is right.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me, but is this the same OP that made a thread about not wanting to turn on the ondol heater?
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
Yeah, that's right.

One, electricity bills are tiered. The first tier is cheap. The second tier is much more expensive and smaller. The third tier is insane and small. etc.... So the difference between X kW and Y kW might be a few kW, but the price difference could be huge if X and Y are in different price tiers.

Two, space heaters use a TON of electricity. A standard 60 watt light bulb uses - you guessed it - 60 watts. Multiply that out, it's 60 watts per hour, 600 watts per 10 hours 6 kW over 100 hours. Compare that to a standard heater that uses 1500 watts. It uses 1.5 kW per hour, 15 kW per 10 hours, and 150 kW per 100 hours.

I'm sure you can do the math... Your electricity usage has skyrocketed, through the tiers, to the point that you pay a lot.

Simple fact is, Korea imports 100% of it's energy. If you use more than the minimums, you get burned. Gas, electric, petrol, whatever. You have to be frugal.


While highly dependant on imports over a third of Korea's electrical production and nearly 15% of its total energy consumption comes from nuclear power. Korea's current goal is to increase that production to meet 50% of its electric needs.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoul101 wrote:
Pkang, I don't believe you're put into only one tier and stuck there - isn't it just your usage that's tiered (like income tax). For example, the first 100,000KW you use will cost x amount per unit, 100,001-150,000 will cost more per unit, and so on..

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Sorry, I used upper and lower to try and simplify my explanation.


Lets say in April I'm in the bottom TIER. May and June I move up one. In July I move up another. And in August I move up another (I think the amount of usage moving up a TIER gets progressively lower).

Then around September-March my electricity usage drops and I move back down to the bottom tier.


However, I think if you continue to use electricity at a high rate (going from Aircon in the summer to electric heaters in the winder), you don't drop down to the lower tiers and just stay or move up.


I might be wrong. I don't usually study my electricity bills enough to quantify patterns. I just know my bill is high in the summer, and low in the winter.
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SeoulNate



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: WOW. So I guess those space heaters are NOT worth it?? Reply with quote

is so delicious wrote:
Made what I had heard was a good investment and bought two space heaters, one for my room, one for the guest room, which I sometimes rent out. Electricity bill for this month, compared to an average of 20,000 - 30,000, is 266,000W.

Can this possibly be right??? I am absolutely stunned. This has to be four times what I've ever paid, in any house, in any winter. How can this be??


I cant believe someone told you it would be a good investment. Those things are the biggest waste of money and anyone who told you otherwise had obviously been either A) an idiot or B) had never used one.

And yes, that bill is correct.
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is so delicious



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I don't get it. Why would anyone use a space heater, if it's seemingly twice (at least) as expensive as oil/floor heating?

I still think something is amiss. I've been here over a year, and I think I would have remembered paying this much last December.
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dharma bum



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might be able to save by using a combination of gas and electrical heat. Theoretically, since you wouldn't be using a lot of either type of energy (I believe similar tiers exist within the gas billing system), you would stay in the bottom tier of each--as opposed to falling into the higher tiers for using a lot of one kind of energy.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJ - I'm fairly sure that Korea imports the uranium for the reactors.

The heaters ARE a good idea, IF you use them properly. Using them to heat the whole house is stupid. Using them to heat your feet under the desk as you sit there is a good idea. As dharma bum says, you have to use a mix of heat sources to make it economical.
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aphase



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
TJ - I'm fairly sure that Korea imports the uranium for the reactors.

The heaters ARE a good idea, IF you use them properly. Using them to heat the whole house is stupid. Using them to heat your feet under the desk as you sit there is a good idea. As dharma bum says, you have to use a mix of heat sources to make it economical.


You don't have to heat the whole house with ondol. Every house I've lived in here had a series of levers that can control in which rooms the hot water flows under. Probably these levers exist somewhere in your houses too I imagine.
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alongway



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a space heater to thaw out the laundry machine in the veranda during the really cold times. A couple hours of that and it could drain again. Ondol isn't an option there. Space heaters are really good for heating a space. the one I had was 700W, but you could turn it on half for 350W as it hard 2 elements on it.
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is so delicious



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to keep whining, but I just checked my neighbors electric bill, which was still in his mailbox. About 8,000W. And his oil bill is only 39,000W, compared to my 31,000W.

I'm pretty tough about the cold. I use the space heater in the evening, to heat only the bedroom, with my door closed. Only a few hours a day. Almost never sleep with it turned on... maybe four or five nights, when my girl slept over.

I simply do not understand how I used over thirty times the energy my neighbor did, who I assume has a family (I live alone).
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