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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Skoie would have a school system where the student population has a large percentage of visable minorities. I would not think that bigots are drawn to teaching and especially in that system. Captain Corea listed some possiblities and the teachers "picking' on a child is certainly one of them. But watching an injured child crawl that far in ice and mud. if you were so bigoted that you could watch that and not do something your bigotry would have spotted before hand and you would not have been teaching. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Let's also not forget that the article is only stating the story from the view of the mother. A bump the size of a tennis ball is huge and on a 6 year old is enormous. A tennis ball. 200 feet. That's pretty far to crawl. I'd imagine that would take quite a while especially with a broken leg. So long where the other students must have been standing out there in the cold for a while or he was left by himself because it would have taken him so long to make the distance.
A flair for the dramatic or the truth? I don't know. Again, not defending the teacher because if a child does fall and is hurt you need to report it and act. Even if he does cry wolf every day, report it. It is ultimately your ass.
But I think this tale is a little on the tall side. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Turns out Skokie is something of a magnet for racial tension...even if you are Korean-
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/14655/skokie-becomes-a-dirty-word-again-after-22-years/
NEW YORK -- For many American Jews, the word "Skokie" stirs up memories of the 1978 First Amendment case that upheld a neo-Nazi group's right to hold a rally in that Illinois community, home to numerous Holocaust survivors.
The episode even spawned a movie, starring Danny Kaye.
So it may be precisely to capitalize on Skokie's symbolism that the Ku Klux Klan plans to demonstrate Dec. 16, on Shabbat, in the Chicago suburb some of them describe as "Jewtown."
The KKK event, announced by the Mercer, Wisc., chapter, will be held on the steps of the Cook County Courthouse.
As the courthouse is county property, a local Skokie permit is not necessary. Thirty to 40 Klansmen and other white supremacists from the region are expected to attend.
Outraged, Chicago Jewry is reacting.
"History has shown us that evil and hateful words, if unchecked, all too often lead to evil deeds and hate crimes," said Richard Hirschhaut, Midwest regional director for the Anti-Defamation League.
"We have to raise our voices against those who would divide our community and attempt to sow fear," said Hirschhaut, who previously held a similar post in the San Francisco Bay Area. "Even the most pathetic sociopath who spews a message of bigotry and hate ought not be dismissed as unimportant, lest their message reach and potentially influence others."
The Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago and local Skokie Jews have thrown their support behind a "Peace and Harmony" rally that the Skokie Commission on Human Relations has scheduled for the following day.
Hirschhaut said he succeeded in dissuading the Evanston Ecumenical Action Council, composed mostly of Christian denominations, from confronting the Klan. Instead, the council agreed to join the Sunday rally.
The ADL also is endorsing another reprise of "Operation Lemonade," a four-year-old project that, like a walk-a-thon, cleverly raises money based on each minute a hate group demonstrates and donates it to organizations that work toward neutralizing such groups.
Skokie -- now home to large communities of Asians, Latinos and African-Americans -- is still scarred by a shooting spree in the region 17 months ago. A follower of the white supremacist World Church of the Creator gunned down the black basketball coach of Northwestern University and a South Korean college student, and injured six Orthodox Jews on their way to synagogue.
The coach, Ricky Byrdsong, and two of the Jewish victims were Skokie residents.
One woud assume in such an environment that teachers would be especially sensitive to any situation that could be perceived as racist and on guard to prevent or remedy any/all incidents.
So to let that kid just grovel on the ground, even if for argument's sake he had been a problem kid or whatever, just doesn't make any sense when you take into account the extent of his injuries...so long as the teacher is genuinely concerned for all of his/her students.
In any case, it's obvious race is an issue with a capital R in Skokie. When it gets to that level, it's inevitable that some people become divided on the issue. Maybe to assume that all teachers in that town are on board with ensuring racial equality is a little naive.
with photos-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082643/Teachers-watched-boy-6-slip-snow-forced-crawl-class-broken-leg.html |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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So your news source about racism in this Illinois town is an article about a demonstration aimed at Jews from 2000 sponsored by a KKK chapter from a different state, that talks about an ethnic/religious issue from the 70's and a story about a person who was shot in 1998?
This whole issue of racism in Skokie revolves around anti-Semitism. Are you suggesting this boy is an Indian Jew?
And you connect the dots to a terrible teacher who let an Indian boy crawl on the ground with a broken leg. OKAAAAAAY.  |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
So your news source about racism in this Illinois town is an article about a demonstration aimed at Jews from 2000 sponsored by a KKK chapter from a different state, that talks about an ethnic/religious issue from the 70's and a story about a person who was shot in 1998?
This whole issue of racism in Skokie revolves around anti-Semitism. Are you suggesting this boy is an Indian Jew?
And you connect the dots to a terrible teacher who let an Indian boy crawl on the ground with a broken leg. OKAAAAAAY.  |
You need to learn to read, dude.
In addition to the Jews, white supremists targeted and gunned down a prominent African-American in the community (former NBA player and college coach at the time) as well as a Korean student.
It's obvious that town holds some significance for white supremists, and its not only about Jews. If you know anything about the white supremist movement, they're not happy about towns incorporating non-whites. If you think every town in the states has a history of white supremist marches and shootings, you're seriously out to lunch. The fact that Skokie has this history indicates some fundamental underlying situation with race.
You noted that the shooting took place some years after the march. However, just because Skokie isn't in the news for some time doesn't mean the race issue has just magically melted away (and really, where does it just melt away). On the contrary, the fact that the shooting took place so many years afte the march only serves to confirm that bubbling under the surface are those tensions.
Having people from different races settle in town doesn't mean it's all chocolate and roses. Believe it or not, it sometimes exacerbates the situation.
Your yahoo-type resonse doesn't really peg u as someone who considers these type of issues to any real depth, or indeed give the impression that u actually give much of a toss. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| So the teacher is a white supremasist? Source? |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| Hey dude, when u see a kid unable to stand up, having to crawl over the dirt or whatever of a schoolyard, no one's having any delusions about child abuse if u go over and help out. |
The inquest on two-year-old Abigail Rae highlighted a sad dilemma
Day of the dad: paedophilia hysteria leaves men afraid to help
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There was one small detail that jumped out at me in the tragic story of Abigail Rae, the two-year-old who wandered off from her village playgroup and ended up dying in a garden pond. Tucked away at the end of yesterday's inquest report was a line about how Clive Peachey, a bricklayer, drove past a child on her own, whom he later concluded had been Abby.
She was not walking straight, she was tottering, said Mr Peachey. "I kept thinking should I go back? One of the reasons I did not go back is because I thought someone would see me and think I was trying to abduct her."
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The hysteria over paedophilia hangs like some dark cloud over almost every interaction nowadays between a man and a child that isn't his. |
Yet another sad example of how the child sex abuse hysteria hurts more than helps children. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
| Hey dude, when u see a kid unable to stand up, having to crawl over the dirt or whatever of a schoolyard, no one's having any delusions about child abuse if u go over and help out. |
The inquest on two-year-old Abigail Rae highlighted a sad dilemma
Day of the dad: paedophilia hysteria leaves men afraid to help
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There was one small detail that jumped out at me in the tragic story of Abigail Rae, the two-year-old who wandered off from her village playgroup and ended up dying in a garden pond. Tucked away at the end of yesterday's inquest report was a line about how Clive Peachey, a bricklayer, drove past a child on her own, whom he later concluded had been Abby.
She was not walking straight, she was tottering, said Mr Peachey. "I kept thinking should I go back? One of the reasons I did not go back is because I thought someone would see me and think I was trying to abduct her."
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The hysteria over paedophilia hangs like some dark cloud over almost every interaction nowadays between a man and a child that isn't his. |
Yet another sad example of how the child sex abuse hysteria hurts more than helps children. |
Jeez, you still trying to compare the two?
Have you had experience teaching kids? Do u comprehend that a school environment supervised by teachers who are paid to care for the kids is different from a stranger driving by a kid?
...okay, if u really think they're similar... |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| No need to bring your pro-pedophile agenda into every thread. |
No need to bring your trolling, ad hominems, and inability to discuss controversy like an adult into every thread.
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| Jeez, you still trying to compare the two? |
I was just responding to someone who said the idea was ridiculous and to show it was not my original idea.
NASUWT: 30% of teachers falsely accused
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30% of teachers have had a false allegation made against them by a pupil, a shocking new survey conducted by the NASUWT, the largest teachers� union and the Tonight programme has revealed...
�99% of teachers surveyed said that they were concerned that pupil may make a false allegation against them, yet more than four out of five do not feel that protections for teachers are adequate. |
Teachers and Touching
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| Teachers are afraid to touch students. According to a recent New York Times article, teachers fear that their customary hugs and touches may lead to criminal prosecution for sexual abuse. They have reason to fear. Many sexual abuse cases brought against teachers have resembled witch-hunts and have gained national notoriety. Public school and day care teachers have been imprisoned based solely on the non-corroborated testimony of children in their care... |
Is this news to you? |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Skoie would have a school system where the student population has a large percentage of visable minorities. I would not think that bigots are drawn to teaching and especially in that system. Captain Corea listed some possiblities and the teachers "picking' on a child is certainly one of them. But watching an injured child crawl that far in ice and mud. if you were so bigoted that you could watch that and not do something your bigotry would have spotted before hand and you would not have been teaching. |
Also, I'm curious what the kids were wearing. Ice and such outside? Perhaps they were wearing snow suits and the like. Awfully hard to notice a bump through a whole bunch of layers.
Again though, that does not excuse what the teachers did here... but it might add to help to the "sense" of it.
Or.... you could go with Stout's racist version... or I&I's pedophile agenda. I'd love to see proof of either of your assertions for this case. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously at the end of the day, none of us were there to witness the incident.
In a town where there have been white supremist marches and racially-charged murders, I submit that the scenario might have had something to do with race.
Or one could go with one of Captain's, "He was a problem student", "Teacher was bitchy/lazy" et. al scenarios. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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My home city of a million plus has had white supremist marches and racially charged murders, yet I wouldnt presume that any/every incident that happens there is because of race.
Could it be a factor? For sure!
Is it?
I don't see any evidence pointing to that of yet. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
My home city of a million plus has had white supremist marches and racially charged murders, yet I wouldnt presume that any/every incident that happens there is because of race.
Could it be a factor? For sure!
Is it?
I don't see any evidence pointing to that of yet. |
Hey, Capt'n, it's just a forum. If I had the evidence for all these cases I'd open my own P.I. agency and use my earnings to buy a villa in Tuscany and build one in Ubud. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I would not discount totally what Stout is saying but how many large cities do not have racist incidents. that does not mean all citizens, teachers are racist. I think I am going to go with lazy , stupid and really negligent on this one. Also Mom's story sounds a little over the top. |
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