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Why did you stay in Korea?
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Work I find satisfying & challenging, check. Decent income, check. Nice home, check. Pleasant location (mountains in my backyard, beaches in my front yard), check.

Everything I needed to put down some roots. 10+ years at the same job.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this article might give others a reason to stay in Korea.

Despite an upswing in hiring during 2011, the jobs crisis could last many more years as millions of Americans struggle to find work.

http://news.yahoo.com/many-americans-jobs-crisis-last-many-years-002143982.html
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coralreefer_1 wrote:
So basically from the answers given, money or women in some form or another were main factors for most.

Nothing wrong with it, but yet so many of us get up in arms when some person comes along with statements such as ESLers are losers who cant make it back home or find a decent woman back home.

Based on some of these replies, perhaps the detractors are right? Sad


I'm here becuase of my job. Nothing to do with a relationship. I have a cushy job, for one more year at least, and enjoy the extra work and classes I get at my uni as well as the five months paid vacations.

After Korea, it looks like I'll end up in the ME or China, if the job comes through.
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adzee1



Joined: 22 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im here for the money, as soon as I have saved what I targeted I am gonna be out of here for greener, warmer pastures.

It wasnt my only reason to move here, before I came i was interested in the "culture" and experience of being here as well as the money. I have lived in other countries (Spain & Mexico) and really enjoyed every second.
To be honest the cultural experience here has worn thin very quickly, I dont dislike it but I wouldnt say that I truly love it either.
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allovertheplace



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive my snark here, but is there a career ladder in teaching at all?

You might make more, get more vacation etc., but you are always a teacher. You never become a supervisor (principals aside), you never get more, or less responsibility. Its a great profession but this 'career ladder' does not seem to apply.

So...regardless of U.S, Canada, U.K, or Korea...if you are a career teacher why not just stay where the benefits and lifestyle are the best?

If however you are not a career teacher, this mythical ladder leads absolutely nowhere.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

allovertheplace wrote:
Forgive my snark here, but is there a career ladder in teaching at all?

You might make more, get more vacation etc., but you are always a teacher. You never become a supervisor (principals aside), you never get more, or less responsibility. Its a great profession but this 'career ladder' does not seem to apply.

So...regardless of U.S, Canada, U.K, or Korea...if you are a career teacher why not just stay where the benefits and lifestyle are the best?

If however you are not a career teacher, this mythical ladder leads absolutely nowhere.


There are Korea-specific ladders but they are rather limited, yes.

Uni
Test prep
International school
Business classes
Academy ownership

If you position yourself well and gain experience geared towards one of these avenues, you can make great money. If you want to work for like 30 years at the same school and get a retirement package etc, I don't think ESL is the ideal line of work to get into anyway.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost 12 years here. im one of the guys who hasnt gotten married. not that i havent had a gf or three that hasnt wanted to. just not my thing so far. im still with my same company that started me off in the late 90s when there were no NETs here...Im doing an event for them tmrw that I SWEAR I did in like 1997 or so, ha. Ive been very lucky that I was chosen by a good boss that I get and she gets me. Shes always been very good to me and I work hard for her.

Ive had alot of great opportunites, and due to personal laziness, shyness, whatever, Ive not taken alot of them, Im near 40 now. Im not a party person at all, dont drink, dont go to bars. BUT Ive always made enough and been very comfortable. For that, what else is there? I dont know about the party lifestyle here. I dont think Koreas very fun, but Im biased in I lived in Tokyo and am a Japonohpile, so...but the food, shelter, etc thing, Im way happy.

But I think I AM smart enough to know a good thing when I see it, and I came here in the 90s, Im very openminded and patient, and I felt there was alot to do and be done here. The internet explosion and such made alot of things possible without having a home base. I do art, make a bit of money, can buy and sell stuff thanks to ebay, etc, and can do a ton else.

I learned the langauge early on, and even though there are alot of people here now, Im still singled out as the Korean-speaking white guy. Ive turned alot of stuff down that may have made me richer, but would make my life alot more complicated, which isnt my goal.

Luckily with the influx of English teachers now, esp the young guys who are debt ridden, I dont see them investing to learn the langauge, so that makes even better for me.

We will have to see about the droves of young people here studying English. Will they be able to motivate themselves and teach themselves instead of NETs? probably not.

I always tell guys who come here get a new clean shirt, a haircut, and a shave. You can get alot of work if you keep this in mind. Doesnt mean youre a good employee, but this will get you further.

Ive thought about grad school and all of that, but IMO, grad school is too much of a gamble and the debt is too large nowadays. Id rather live simpler. I love to read and study about stuff. Id love to get a doctorate, but no way am I going down that road now....



its all about what you think you need, isnt it?


for years, ive been thinking "are there greener pastures?" well, maybe more pretty surroundings, or nicer people, sure, alot, but Im ok where I am, and I can visit those places, often. Smile
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silkhighway



Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

allovertheplace wrote:
Forgive my snark here, but is there a career ladder in teaching at all?

You might make more, get more vacation etc., but you are always a teacher. You never become a supervisor (principals aside), you never get more, or less responsibility. Its a great profession but this 'career ladder' does not seem to apply.

So...regardless of U.S, Canada, U.K, or Korea...if you are a career teacher why not just stay where the benefits and lifestyle are the best?


There is opportunity for career progression outside of just getting higher pay. Teachers typically start by getting a sponsored graduate degree or two. From there they may become a department head, or go into other areas such as Guidance, Resource, Administration or Consulting. There are also opportunities for sabbaticals from teaching to work on other initiatives, such as curriculum reform.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reasons I left my country and came to Korea have not changed.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Virtually unlimited earning potential.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

Virtually unlimited earning potential.


You're a Sales Rep for Mary Kay in Korea?
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Zyzyfer"]
coralreefer_1 wrote:
The ones to worry about are the ones who stay here year after year teaching in kindy hakwons without a reason. Those are the ones that can't make it back home.



Not totally true.

I'm met some real freak-cases who work in universities, too.
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coralreefer_1



Joined: 19 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Paddycakes"]
Zyzyfer wrote:
coralreefer_1 wrote:
The ones to worry about are the ones who stay here year after year teaching in kindy hakwons without a reason. Those are the ones that can't make it back home.



Not totally true.

I'm met some real freak-cases who work in universities, too.


I did not write that. Although I see someone may have made an error with the quoting brackets, despite appearances just to be clear that was not my comment.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some, Korea can be hazardous to your health, and I'm not just talking the drinking, horrendous traffic habits and pollution.

In other words, the stresses of modern life are far more complicated than what our ancestors experienced. �You can say stresses are a part of life, so what�s the big deal?� Sinha says. But it is a big deal, she adds, because there�s extensive evidence that stress has contributed to the rise in chronic diseases.

http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/10/10093725-all-that-stress-is-shrinking-your-brain-new-study-finds
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AtmaWeapon



Joined: 30 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Work I find satisfying & challenging, check. Decent income, check. Nice home, check. Pleasant location (mountains in my backyard, beaches in my front yard), check.

Everything I needed to put down some roots. 10+ years at the same job.


10 years at the same job? University? And where are you located where you've got mountains and beaches?
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