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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
I had a job offer from a uni, I was their guy and everything was going through as planned, then from nowhere..... administration said without a document proving prior experience and living in Korea for one year they couldn't do a E1 visa application.
But this just might be because it was one of the better universities and they didn't want a guy there with no prior uni experience, I don't know but they seemed pretty sure.
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Not really MA and 1 year is minimum.
But I agree with what you are saying about minimum qualifications at university especially in English courses. Everyone gets a MA in TESOL and no one gets a MA in design, if they did they could get a lecturer / professor job instead of instructor.
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Sorry, but no.
To be a full "교수" you will need a doctorate. Don't think that having different creds will get you any farther. "초교수" or "부교수" is the best you will get with an MA, even a non-TESOL one, and rightfully so. There are some posters here who have the title "교수" and indeed, they have doctorate credentials and have worked hard to get there.
I have no idea what "Not really MA and 1 year is minimum." means. |
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So, just what is Malislamusrex' problem? Looks like he/she has an E-1 University job. Congradulations.  |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Yes, you know better than the university's administration office, I think they will have them consult you on issues regarding visas in future..... maybe your opinions can earn you some commission
If you are teaching English you can be hired at any level with an E2 visa. If you are being asked to take a professor / lecturer job, and teaching content that is not ESL you need a E1 visa.
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"Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa."
Applicants cannot have an E1. That was my point. Before you jump on me, perhaps you should think about your writing.
@Kwangjuchicken: What Malislamusrex wanted to say was that some jobs require applicants to be eligible (meet all requirements) to obtain an E1. This was the case with his university, Malislamusrex was apparently not eligible, thus, one must assume, no job for him.
Strange that university would offer him the job knowing full well he wasn't eligible to obtain the E1 (I assume they read his resume).
Perhaps I should advise that university's administration department. Seems they haven't a clue and offer jobs to people who can't actually take them. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Yes, you know better than the university's administration office, I think they will have them consult you on issues regarding visas in future..... maybe your opinions can earn you some commission
If you are teaching English you can be hired at any level with an E2 visa. If you are being asked to take a professor / lecturer job, and teaching content that is not ESL you need a E1 visa.
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"Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa."
Applicants cannot have an E1. That was my point. Before you jump on me, perhaps you should think about your writing.
@Kwangjuchicken: What Malislamusrex wanted to say was that some jobs require applicants to be eligible (meet all requirements) to obtain an E1. Malislamusrex was not, thus no job.
Strange that university would offer him/her the job knowing full well he/she wasn't eligible to obtain the E1 (I assume they read his/her resume). Perhaps I should advise that university's administration department. Seems they haven't a clue and offer jobs to people who can't actually take them. |
He said all that he still needed for the E-1 is proof of living and teaching in Korea. So, he has:
1. Visa in Passport
2. Alien Card
3. Contracts
So, if he only needs to prove it one way and he has 3 I do not see what the problem is.  |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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This what the uni said.... for a E1 visa immigration need an MA and proof of 1 years experience in Korea. I had experience outside of Korea not teaching and they said it immigration needed something on black and white.
Of course this is speculative... it is what I was told.
anyway, this is not a thread about what documents you need for an E1 visa. this thread is about the OP asking for uni advice.
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| Carbon wrote: |
| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Yes, you know better than the university's administration office, I think they will have them consult you on issues regarding visas in future..... maybe your opinions can earn you some commission
If you are teaching English you can be hired at any level with an E2 visa. If you are being asked to take a professor / lecturer job, and teaching content that is not ESL you need a E1 visa.
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"Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa."
Applicants cannot have an E1. That was my point. Before you jump on me, perhaps you should think about your writing.
@Kwangjuchicken: What Malislamusrex wanted to say was that some jobs require applicants to be eligible (meet all requirements) to obtain an E1. Malislamusrex was not, thus no job.
Strange that university would offer him/her the job knowing full well he/she wasn't eligible to obtain the E1 (I assume they read his/her resume). Perhaps I should advise that university's administration department. Seems they haven't a clue and offer jobs to people who can't actually take them. |
He said all that he still needed for the E-1 is proof of living and teaching in Korea. So, he has:
1. Visa in Passport
2. Alien Card
3. Contracts
So, if he only needs to prove it one way and he has 3 I do not see what the problem is. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
This what the uni said.... for a E1 visa immigration need an MA and proof of 1 years experience in Korea. I had experience outside of Korea not teaching and they said it immigration needed something on black and white.
Of course this is speculative... it is what I was told.
anyway, this is not a thread about what documents you need for an E1 visa. this thread is about the OP asking for uni advice.
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Speculative? Speculation would be, given the errors in your writing and your odd understanding of what "speculate" means, if you are a native speaker of English.
Who is speculating? You, based on what you were told from the uni? The uni, speculating on why you couldn't get an E1? Me, speculating on your writing?
If you think what you were told from your would-have-been employer is merely speculation, then do you not think it would be worth finding out factually? I wouldn't accept speculation as a lynchpin of gaining employment.
You did tell me sarcastically that I should advise the administrative department of your would-have-been employer, leading me and everyone here to believe that you were operating from facts, not speculation. You thus volunteered your initial answer based on speculation; you really didn't know with certainty. Not good advice and an unsound foundation from which to call me wrong.
If you believe me/us to be speculating on what an E1 visa requires, again, it is not speculating; it isn't a big secret and the information is easily found. I have yet to see or hear anything about needing one year minimum in Korea.
Sorry...I am not trying to start trouble, but what you are writing here just doesn't make sense. And yes, this is a thread about uni advice to which you replied with misleading information due to a poorly written sentence. This takes me full circle back to my initial example of speculation; if you are a native speaker of English.
Maybe I am being pedantic, but it really is hard to fathom your writing. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| This what the uni said.... for a E1 visa immigration need an MA and proof of 1 years experience in Korea. I had experience outside of Korea not teaching and they said it immigration needed something on black and white. |
I had the same thought regarding non-native speaker....
This is what the uni said... for AN E1 visa immigration needS an MA and proof of 1 year(no s) experience in Korea. I had experience outside of Korea not teaching (being I am 50 I guess I have 50 years experience outside of South Africa not diamond mining) and they said immigration needed something on (IN) black and white.[/u] |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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you know what I was saying writing.
I'm not going to check my grammar on a forum, technically a forum register is vernacular English and it is only a massively insecure person that would check everything he wrote.
I'm glad that you feel superior you corrected a quickly typed forum response, this really proves how amazing you are. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
you know what I was saying writing.
I'm not going to check my grammar on a forum, technically a forum register is vernacular English and it is only a massively insecure person that would check everything he wrote.
I'm glad that you feel superior you corrected a quickly typed forum response, this really proves how amazing you are. |
I didn't have to "check it". I only had to read it.
I might suggest that if you sent any communication with this many mistakes to the uni, it might explain why they suddenly determined they could not get you a visa (E1 or otherwise).
Vernacular is one thing, poor English is another.
PS. I have a buddy with an E1 that only has a BA. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
This what the uni said.... for a E1 visa immigration need an MA and proof of 1 years experience in Korea. I had experience outside of Korea not teaching and they said it immigration needed something on black and white.
Of course this is speculative... it is what I was told.
anyway, this is not a thread about what documents you need for an E1 visa. this thread is about the OP asking for uni advice.
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| Carbon wrote: |
| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Yes, you know better than the university's administration office, I think they will have them consult you on issues regarding visas in future..... maybe your opinions can earn you some commission
If you are teaching English you can be hired at any level with an E2 visa. If you are being asked to take a professor / lecturer job, and teaching content that is not ESL you need a E1 visa.
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"Some jobs specifically require applicants with an E1 visa."
Applicants cannot have an E1. That was my point. Before you jump on me, perhaps you should think about your writing.
@Kwangjuchicken: What Malislamusrex wanted to say was that some jobs require applicants to be eligible (meet all requirements) to obtain an E1. Malislamusrex was not, thus no job.
Strange that university would offer him/her the job knowing full well he/she wasn't eligible to obtain the E1 (I assume they read his/her resume). Perhaps I should advise that university's administration department. Seems they haven't a clue and offer jobs to people who can't actually take them. |
He said all that he still needed for the E-1 is proof of living and teaching in Korea. So, he has:
1. Visa in Passport
2. Alien Card
3. Contracts
So, if he only needs to prove it one way and he has 3 I do not see what the problem is. |
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Well considering it has been ages since we have heard a peep from the OP, plus the fact that this thread has been hijacked by at least 2 posters (or one poster and his sock) God forbid that one would become confused about who was the op.
If ever a thread should be locked, it would have to be this one. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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You were one of the hijackers, chicken.  |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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When I'm 50 I want to be a forum warrior like you, keep it real.
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I didn't have to "check it". I only had to read it.
I might suggest that if you sent any communication with this many mistakes to the uni, it might explain why they suddenly determined they could not get you a visa (E1 or otherwise).
Vernacular is one thing, poor English is another.
PS. I have a buddy with an E1 that only has a BA. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Technically you can get an E1 with only an undergrad degree if you have 3 or more years previous university teaching experience. |
According to Korea Immigration Policy, foreign EFL teachers may apply for and receive an E-1 work visa only when they hold: (1) A Ph.D degree or (2) Have at least 3 years teaching experience in Korean University.
This has not changed. I have known several experienced university teachers who were on E-1 work visas but only held B.A. degrees. |
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Hootsmon
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| Otus wrote: |
| Technically you can get an E1 with only an undergrad degree if you have 3 or more years previous university teaching experience. |
According to Korea Immigration Policy, foreign EFL teachers may apply for and receive an E-1 work visa only when they hold: (1) A Ph.D degree or (2) Have at least 3 years teaching experience in Korean University.
This has not changed. I have known several experienced university teachers who were on E-1 work visas but only held B.A. degrees. |
Just to muddy the waters a bit, which is never surprising when Kimmi is involved, I received my E-1 visa with a Masters and 2 years of Korean university teaching experience (4 years teaching experience in Korea total). I'm the English Literature Professor, and in Korean my title is 교수. I am, however, paid nothing like the university's real PhD-holding professors.
As a general rule, there is no general rule for universities. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Hootsmon wrote: |
| I received my E-1 visa with a Masters and 2 years of Korean university teaching experience. |
I believe you.
There will be cases and exceptions here and there. Also, immigration, and this goes for any country, has a ton of discretion when they make visa decisions.
I also wonder how much weight a particular university carries when they deal with immigration. I know teachers with your academic background and teaching experience at SKY universities who also obtained E-1 visas but do not hold Ph.D degrees and hadn't had 3 years university teaching experience when they applied.
Now, if their schools were third or fourth tier colleges asking Korean Immigration to issue their new instructor with an E-1 work permit, they may not be as successful as one of the SKY schools.
In other words, if a SKY school or a high ranking college applies for an E-1 visa for their teachers, chances are that Korean Immigration will not reject their application.
I don't know if this is the case or not. I'm speculating since I've seen it happen also. |
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