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cfile2
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 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans worry about Immigrant riots |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Such concerns are more prevalent among the elderly. Over 65 percent of respondents aged over 65 think the inflow of foreigners will deprive Koreans of jobs.
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And there you have it.
Such concerns tend to be more prevalent among the elderly in most countries.
And anyway it's fairly much the same in said countries. Yes even in our home countries...those beacons of tolerance and understanding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2011/02/why_are_we_so_concerned_about_im.html
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| Two-thirds of Britons see immigration as "more of a problem than an opportunity" compared to around 50% in the US and mainland Europe. |
And while Canadians seem fairly relaxed this study of our immigration policy shows some rather disturbing trends.
http://ccrweb.ca/files/arreport.pdf |
I'm not saying that we Canadians don't have our fair share of racist policies, but do you think you could point to something that isn't over a decade old?
Certainly there has been some change (for better or worse, I'm not entirely sure) since the year 2000. |
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jrwhite82
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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There is a neighborhood near me with a large SE Asian/Chinese population. I don't see many grandmas and grandpas though. They mostly work at large factories just outside of town judging by the buses they usually take in the mornings.
When I say "large" I mean by Korean standards. Where maybe 10% of the people living there are immigrants. Maybe. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
There is a neighborhood near me with a large SE Asian/Chinese population. I don't see many grandmas and grandpas though. They mostly work at large factories just outside of town judging by the buses they usually take in the mornings.
When I say "large" I mean by Korean standards. Where maybe 10% of the people living there are immigrants. Maybe. |
Yeah, there are a fair number of South and Southeast Asians near me in Suwon and Ansan, but they're all young men and women and I don't think they stick around too long. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans worry about Immigrant riots |
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| cfile2 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Such concerns are more prevalent among the elderly. Over 65 percent of respondents aged over 65 think the inflow of foreigners will deprive Koreans of jobs.
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And there you have it.
Such concerns tend to be more prevalent among the elderly in most countries.
And anyway it's fairly much the same in said countries. Yes even in our home countries...those beacons of tolerance and understanding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2011/02/why_are_we_so_concerned_about_im.html
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| Two-thirds of Britons see immigration as "more of a problem than an opportunity" compared to around 50% in the US and mainland Europe. |
And while Canadians seem fairly relaxed this study of our immigration policy shows some rather disturbing trends.
http://ccrweb.ca/files/arreport.pdf |
I'm not saying that we Canadians don't have our fair share of racist policies, but do you think you could point to something that isn't over a decade old?
Certainly there has been some change (for better or worse, I'm not entirely sure) since the year 2000. |
Then you should be able to find it.
And does the fact that it is a decade old mitigate the suffering of many of the subject cases mentioned in the study? Most of those people are presumably still alive today but even if eventually accepted into Canadian society had to endure years of misery and tension first.
In other words the possibility that it may be better now does not take away any of the blame for its RECENT discriminatory policies...and let's be honest now...2000 is hardly a "Jim Crow" era or other unenlightened period of time.
But since you asked...here's something from Oct 2011.
Recent enough for you?
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1949981 |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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It should be noted that aside from the question of whether riots will happen and the issue of bi-racial parents arguing with their kids, the xenophobic view appeared to be a minority view.
I have a question- if a survey indicated 37% of NETs were worried that cheaper workers from the Philippines and India were going to take over English teaching, would we be on here calling NETs xenophobic, nationalist, racist, and needing to "Grow up and deal with the global economy?"
Korea Times fear-mongering in classic form. This rag of a paper needs to go into the Bum's Cardboard Box Home of History.
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About 37 percent of respondents said the increasing number will result in a decrease in welfare benefits for Koreans.
Some 36 percent also said they will cause housing problems to Koreans and 27.7 percent said they will have a negative impact on the nation�s economic growth. |
Of course its the Korean Times so they try to but the bleakest, most conflict driven face possible on things.
As for the riots, the fear seems to be that the minority community will riot. I doubt they are thinking of NETs or business people. They are probably thinking 3D workers or perhaps Chinese.
The parents question is a bit difficult to read into because how much of it could be xenophobia and how much could be understanding "kids will be kids". I think most of us here on Dave's can agree that at some point bi-racial kids growing up in Korea might get into it with their parents at some point. Gee, shocker.
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| It is just the Korean (pure blood - yeah right) insecurity coming through again. |
So people who watch the news and have seen the LA Riots, Riots in Britain and France, and riots pretty much everywhere around the world where there is a significant minority population are concerned that if there is a sizable minority population there might be riots?
Gee, where did they get that idea? Oh, right not through observation, but because of Oo-Ri-Dokdo-Kimchi.
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| Also, tone down the nationalism in education, especially the racial component. |
Most schools, especially in rural areas, have multi-cultural programs for students of bi-cultural spouses. |
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nathanrutledge
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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That wasn't my first thought. I was thinking more along the lines of overcrowding. But now that you mention it, I just moved in my new apartment and have been getting "there goes the neighborhood" looks with mutterings and rolling of the eyes.
So Im sure you may be right. |
Well come on now, that's probably not racism, it's probably just you! 
An article in the KT is pretty worthless, BUT it does raise some points. The number of foreigners as a percentage of the population is climbing. When I first came, it was less than 1% and now it's 2.2%. As Korean women continue to have less kids, and men import more foreign women, there is going to be even more pressure on society. Remember folks, ESL teachers make up only about 30,000 people - the 3d workers and foreign brides make up the other MILLION. This isn't about some educated, 20 something ESL teacher moving in, this is about 3d's and VERY well educated Indians moving in - people who are economically below most Koreans, or intellectually above most. These are real threats to the status quo.
I doubt we'll see race riots, but I'm sure that we'll see more... unrest, unpleasantness, as things change. |
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joelove
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| What? What did I just read? A majority of people anywhere are concerned about these things? Oh I did meet a Canadian guy once who seemed concerned about immigration in Canada. Man, I'm more concerned about my back and not falling down or getting hit by a car. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah look at the Irish in the U.S. drunken bomb .throwers and yes they started the largest riot in U.S. history. But we survived them and things seemed to have worked out okay. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah look at the ModEdit in the U.S. drunken bomb .throwers and yes they started the largest riot in U.S. history. But we survived them and things seemed to have worked out okay. |
Tut Tut Tut. We don't use the "I" word in this house! |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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you guys are actually discussing this with facts and truth?!?
dont you know that this is Korea! NOONE DOES THAT!
Its all about emotion, not fact. If I hate you and it riles me up, Ill say it!
It took me a few years to get that, and now Im accused of not caring enough .
haha..facts and truth, noobs. |
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jaj
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
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You sure this article is about 'immigrants' and not North-Koreans?
South Korea's reunification nightmares are just as surreal.
Ever look at the pics in Chosun Ilbo of North Koreans that are meant to depict how strange life in North Korea is but look the same as South Korea?
This country is a case for Sigmund Freud! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: |
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You sure this article is about 'immigrants' and not North-Koreans?
South Korea's reunification nightmares are just as surreal.
Ever look at the pics in Chosun Ilbo of North Koreans that are meant to depict how strange life in North Korea is but look the same as South Korea?
This country is a case for Sigmund Freud! |
Given the economic and cultural discrepancies between the two countries, I don't think those nightmares are surreal in the least. |
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FloridaGator314
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Okay, I give up. Where, exactly, are all these neighborhoods with SE Asian workers that have brought in theri grandparents, aunts, and uncles? |
We've got some in Yeonsu-gu. |
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jaj
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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No, no, reunification fears as opposed to the host of others that perpetually haunt this place, are understandable -- only this time the "foreigners" would be "themselves..."
*Twilight Zone music here* |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: |
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No, no, reunification fears as opposed to the host of others that perpetually haunt this place, are understandable -- only this time the "foreigners" would be "themselves..."
*Twilight Zone music here* |
 Even I have to chuckle at that one... |
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