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ttompatz
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| Kuros wrote: |
Several Canadians have posted to the effect that:
(1) they don't give a damn about the War of 1812
(2) they don't believe that other Canadians go off about it in bars
Thus, I have changed the title. Clearly, these other Canadians must not be from Ontario. |
There are Canadians who are not from Ontario????
Not possible is it?
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The research also found that eagerness to learn more about the 200-year-old war declines outside Ontario, where a significant number of the battles took place. |
Ha ha ha. |
As a notable historian such as yourself must surely recognize...at that time Southern Ontario (and Quebec) primarily made up what was Canada at the time. So it's far more a portion of Ontario's history than any other provinces really. Which would account for the lack of interest.
But well done on the umpteenth Canadians vs Americans/troll thread. It's now reached eight pages in as many days. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Celebrate? Really?
| The GLobe and Mail wrote: |
The war, which lasted until 1814, saw the inhabitants of what is now Canada turn back an American invasion and is considered a formative event in this country�s history. Both the White House and early Parliament buildings in Upper Canada were put to the torch.
�The report proves that the war, while being a seminal event, may not be something that a lot of Canadians recognize or understand,� the official said. |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-1812-overture-study-shows-canadians-unfamiliar-with-wars-details/article2192560/
Despite Canada not being a sovereign nation at the time, people living in the territory that became Canada did contribute to the war. It's part of our heritage, and that is what is being called on.
Considering we are still part of the Commonwealth, it is a notable event in our shared history. |
Yes, I agree. Although I don't trust the Harper government's motives, it remains that Canadian militias participated and soldiers from as far as Fredericton were sent.
http://www.warof1812.ca/104th.htm
(last time I checked, it was still in the Guiness Book of Records as one of the longest marches in history).
PS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| I really know just scraps about the war. I know that the U.s. lost an army in a blizzard when attempting to interdict British forces marching down from the North. Theodore Roosevelt wrote a great history of the naval war which I read a long time ago, but was quite good and entertaining. The real losers in the war were the Iroquois people who sided with the British. The U.s. bore a grudge and took it out on them. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| The research also found that eagerness to learn more about the 200-year-old war declines outside Ontario, where a significant number of the battles took place. |
Ha ha ha. |
As a notable historian such as yourself must surely recognize...at that time Southern Ontario (and Quebec) primarily made up what was Canada at the time. So it's far more a portion of Ontario's history than any other provinces really. Which would account for the lack of interest.
But well done on the umpteenth Canadians vs Americans/troll thread. It's now reached eight pages in as many days. |
I didn't know that!
How can you call it a troll thread when we are all learning so much! |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty funny thread guys. I really don't have much to add, except as a Canadian, I've met more than my share of nationalistic, chest thumping Canucks, eager to crap on America. Hell, I'm even a little guilty of it myself from time to time.
Saw a funny video on youtube today of a similar note:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story/2012/01/06/canada-for-president.html
Enjoy the smack talk folks. I got better things to do. (Like talk trash about rival hockey teams as the playoffs near).
Eh? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Alright consider the troll remark withdrawn.
It is an insightful historically fact based thread.  |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| The research also found that eagerness to learn more about the 200-year-old war declines outside Ontario, where a significant number of the battles took place. |
Ha ha ha. |
As a notable historian such as yourself must surely recognize...at that time Southern Ontario (and Quebec) primarily made up what was Canada at the time. So it's far more a portion of Ontario's history than any other provinces really. Which would account for the lack of interest.
But well done on the umpteenth Canadians vs Americans/troll thread. It's now reached eight pages in as many days. |
I didn't know that!
How can you call it a troll thread when we are all learning so much! |
If the title of this thread were changed(yet again) to "Harper's Pride: The 1812 Overture" ...then this thread would really have shown a learning curve in action. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| I'll see your "Americans sew Canadian flags on their backpacks" and raise you one official Canadian evacuation plan from Korea in case of war: Get to the nearest US military base and hope they they take you. Probably a lot of maple leafs will get ripped of of bags right quick. |
Mind linking to that?
I mean, I wouldn't doubt that allies would be expected to help each other out - but I'm curious where you saw this. |
Exactly. It's not as if Canada isn't the United States closest ally.
Here you go, radcon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| The research also found that eagerness to learn more about the 200-year-old war declines outside Ontario, where a significant number of the battles took place. |
Ha ha ha. |
As a notable historian such as yourself must surely recognize...at that time Southern Ontario (and Quebec) primarily made up what was Canada at the time. So it's far more a portion of Ontario's history than any other provinces really. Which would account for the lack of interest.
But well done on the umpteenth Canadians vs Americans/troll thread. It's now reached eight pages in as many days. |
I didn't know that!
How can you call it a troll thread when we are all learning so much! |
If the title of this thread were changed(yet again) to "Harper's Pride: The 1812 Overture" ...then this thread would really have shown a learning curve in action. |
I'm sorry. That thread title would be too boring. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Ontarian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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The 1812 Overture
On Jan 1, the American side of Niagara Falls agreed to participate in Canada's celebration of . . . their "victory" over America in 1812. I cannot wait until the inevitable Ontarian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
When I visited the Capitol building, the guide told us "the British" burned it down in 1812.
Of course, as far as we Brits are concerned, you were *all* British over there back then; it's just that some of you were rebels and insurgents, and some not. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| A thread-battle between the Canadians and the Brits as to who should take credit for burning down the White House would be a breath of fresh air. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Ontarian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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The 1812 Overture
On Jan 1, the American side of Niagara Falls agreed to participate in Canada's celebration of . . . their "victory" over America in 1812. I cannot wait until the inevitable Ontarian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
When I visited the Capitol building, the guide told us "the British" burned it down in 1812.
Of course, as far as we Brits are concerned, you were *all* British over there back then; it's just that some of you were rebels and insurgents, and some not. |
*Ding ding ding* That's correct. British, by which I mean soldiers who were born in and lived most of their lives on the British Isles, burned down the Yellow House. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:02 am Post subject: |
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And was not Canada part of that war/empire at the time?
So let me get this string of logic straight - if a NATO ally bombs a target in Somethingabad, and a US spokesperson said "We got our man", we should all jump up and down and say "NO! NO! It was the Italian jet that dropped that bomb!!!"
The war of 1812 was obviously between The British Empire and the US. Canada was a part of the British Empire at the time. The war was fought largely back and forth between Canada and the US.
But yet some who Canada/Canadians weren't involved.
riiiigggggggghhhhhhtttttt  |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Ontarian Pride: The 1812 Overture |
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| Kuros wrote: |
The 1812 Overture
On Jan 1, the American side of Niagara Falls agreed to participate in Canada's celebration of . . . their "victory" over America in 1812. I cannot wait until the inevitable Ontarian Daves decide to gloat that "Canadians" burnt the "White" House in that war. |
When I visited the Capitol building, the guide told us "the British" burned it down in 1812.
Of course, as far as we Brits are concerned, you were *all* British over there back then; it's just that some of you were rebels and insurgents, and some not. |
Not according to the Treaty of Paris. |
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