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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Steelers really gotta look themselves in the mirror here. They gave up 30+ yards a completion. Tebow only completed 10 passes, less then 50% but man, those were the biggest 10 passes you'll see. They will get housed next week. |
I think they were out-coached. Pitt played the run and the safeties too easily bit on play-fakes. Denver seemed to anticipate the Steelers focus on stopping the run and had a great game plan. They didn't ask Tim to complete a lot of passes, but designed plays that had him throwing to open receivers or receivers with single coverage. Everyone talks like Harbaugh is a lock for coach of the year, but Fox has been amazing, too. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Oh the term "big boy football" was used by some steeler to describe what Tebow would face against the Steelers. Cam newton not a great passer uses legs too much in tough situations, and character issues. Not a good bet to be successful . But some noticed at pro work out that players were drawn to Newton that they wanted to hang around with him. Tried a little harder when he was out there. Same with
Tebow, lousy mechanics, holds ball too long no way. but others note that players recognize he is a winner, got the mojo. Intangables. they count. Besides Tebow is not that bad a passer. The same writers who criticize Tebow were big on Jamarcus(siooing the purple drank" Russell. But yeah Fox has done a great job. |
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madoka
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Oh the term "big boy football" was used by some steeler to describe what Tebow would face against the Steelers. Cam newton not a great passer uses legs too much in tough situations, and character issues. Not a good bet to be successful . But some noticed at pro work out that players were drawn to Newton that they wanted to hang around with him. Tried a little harder when he was out there. Same with
Tebow, lousy mechanics, holds ball too long no way. but others note that players recognize he is a winner, got the mojo. Intangables. they count. Besides Tebow is not that bad a passer. The same writers who criticize Tebow were big on Jamarcus(siooing the purple drank" Russell. But yeah Fox has done a great job. |
First of all, I want proof that the same writers who liked Russel are the same ones who criticize Tebow. I am fairly certain you are pulling out of your bum.
Secondly, comparing Cam Newton to Tebow this year is comparing a Ferarri to a Ford. Tebow is a second year quarterback who puts up some appalling bad numbers. He only completed 46% of his passes this year! Cam Netwon had the single best rookie season of a QB ever! EVER! The issues people were worried about with Newton was if he could pick up a pro offense after running such a simple system at Auburn and whether his character was strong considering he was involved in rules violations. So far, so good. They are similiar in the fact that they were both successful college qbs who can run, the difference is that one is good at passing and the other one isn't. Unfortuantely for Cam, his teams defense sucks donkeys and so does there running game. Denver has both those things going for them |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Was not comparing their talent was comparing criticisms of them Newton was involved in theft not rules violation. The point I was trying to make was that the intangibles they bring often cancel out weaknesses in their game. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Oh the term "big boy football" was used by some steeler to describe what Tebow would face against the Steelers. Cam newton not a great passer uses legs too much in tough situations, and character issues. Not a good bet to be successful . But some noticed at pro work out that players were drawn to Newton that they wanted to hang around with him. Tried a little harder when he was out there. Same with
Tebow, lousy mechanics, holds ball too long no way. but others note that players recognize he is a winner, got the mojo. Intangables. they count. Besides Tebow is not that bad a passer. The same writers who criticize Tebow were big on Jamarcus(siooing the purple drank" Russell. But yeah Fox has done a great job. |
First of all, I want proof that the same writers who liked Russel are the same ones who criticize Tebow. I am fairly certain you are pulling out of your bum.
Secondly, comparing Cam Newton to Tebow this year is comparing a Ferarri to a Ford. Tebow is a second year quarterback who puts up some appalling bad numbers. He only completed 46% of his passes this year! Cam Netwon had the single best rookie season of a QB ever! EVER! The issues people were worried about with Newton was if he could pick up a pro offense after running such a simple system at Auburn and whether his character was strong considering he was involved in rules violations. So far, so good. They are similiar in the fact that they were both successful college qbs who can run, the difference is that one is good at passing and the other one isn't. Unfortuantely for Cam, his teams defense sucks donkeys and so does there running game. Denver has both those things going for them |
My favorite part of the Newton/Tebow comparison is that Tebow was the starter over Newton at Florida. How much better would the Gators have been had Urban Meyer taken of the Tebow-specs and played the better QB? |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah with Newton they would have won the super super duper national championship not just a boring old national championship. |
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pkang0202
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| My favorite part of the Newton/Tebow comparison is that Tebow was the starter over Newton at Florida. How much better would the Gators have been had Urban Meyer taken of the Tebow-specs and played the better QB? |
College statistics and records
At the end of his college career, Tebow held 5 NCAA, 14 Southeastern Conference, and 28 University of Florida statistical records[82]. He was the SEC's all-time leader in career passing efficiency (176.0), completion percentage (67.1%), passing touchdown to interception ratio (5.5 to 1), rushing yards by a quarterback (2947), rushing touchdowns by players at any position (57), and total touchdowns responsible for (145).[5][83] He also ranked second in career passing efficiency and third in career yards per attempt (9.33) in NCAA history.
I don't really see how Cam Newton could've done better than THAT in college.
Tebow won the Heisman as a sophmore, the first Sophmore to ever do so. |
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warmachinenkorea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Oh the term "big boy football" was used by some steeler to describe what Tebow would face against the Steelers. Cam newton not a great passer uses legs too much in tough situations, and character issues. Not a good bet to be successful . But some noticed at pro work out that players were drawn to Newton that they wanted to hang around with him. Tried a little harder when he was out there. Same with
Tebow, lousy mechanics, holds ball too long no way. but others note that players recognize he is a winner, got the mojo. Intangables. they count. Besides Tebow is not that bad a passer. The same writers who criticize Tebow were big on Jamarcus(siooing the purple drank" Russell. But yeah Fox has done a great job. |
First of all, I want proof that the same writers who liked Russel are the same ones who criticize Tebow. I am fairly certain you are pulling out of your bum.
Secondly, comparing Cam Newton to Tebow this year is comparing a Ferarri to a Ford. Tebow is a second year quarterback who puts up some appalling bad numbers. He only completed 46% of his passes this year! Cam Netwon had the single best rookie season of a QB ever! EVER! The issues people were worried about with Newton was if he could pick up a pro offense after running such a simple system at Auburn and whether his character was strong considering he was involved in rules violations. So far, so good. They are similiar in the fact that they were both successful college qbs who can run, the difference is that one is good at passing and the other one isn't. Unfortuantely for Cam, his teams defense sucks donkeys and so does there running game. Denver has both those things going for them |
My favorite part of the Newton/Tebow comparison is that Tebow was the starter over Newton at Florida. How much better would the Gators have been had Urban Meyer taken of the Tebow-specs and played the better QB? |
Tebow was as good a college QB that has ever played. Good in college doesn't mean god as a pro. Think about Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.
Tebow and his teams win games. Being a quarterback is as much about being a skilled passer, defense reader, and decision maker as it is staying cool under pressure, getting guys to follow you, and being a leader.
Plenty of great players in their sports put up big numbers, Lebron James is a great example, but they don't win games or championships. Who ever walks away with the trophy in the end is the player that has accomplished the goal of a pro athlete.
Will Tebow win a Championship? Time will tell. |
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warmachinenkorea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
Oh the term "big boy football" was used by some steeler to describe what Tebow would face against the Steelers. Cam newton not a great passer uses legs too much in tough situations, and character issues. Not a good bet to be successful . But some noticed at pro work out that players were drawn to Newton that they wanted to hang around with him. Tried a little harder when he was out there. Same with
Tebow, lousy mechanics, holds ball too long no way. but others note that players recognize he is a winner, got the mojo. Intangables. they count. Besides Tebow is not that bad a passer. The same writers who criticize Tebow were big on Jamarcus(siooing the purple drank" Russell. But yeah Fox has done a great job. |
First of all, I want proof that the same writers who liked Russel are the same ones who criticize Tebow. I am fairly certain you are pulling out of your bum.
Secondly, comparing Cam Newton to Tebow this year is comparing a Ferarri to a Ford. Tebow is a second year quarterback who puts up some appalling bad numbers. He only completed 46% of his passes this year! Cam Netwon had the single best rookie season of a QB ever! EVER! The issues people were worried about with Newton was if he could pick up a pro offense after running such a simple system at Auburn and whether his character was strong considering he was involved in rules violations. So far, so good. They are similiar in the fact that they were both successful college qbs who can run, the difference is that one is good at passing and the other one isn't. Unfortuantely for Cam, his teams defense sucks donkeys and so does there running game. Denver has both those things going for them |
My favorite part of the Newton/Tebow comparison is that Tebow was the starter over Newton at Florida. How much better would the Gators have been had Urban Meyer taken of the Tebow-specs and played the better QB? |
Tebow was as good a college QB that has ever played. Good in college doesn't mean god as a pro. Think about Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.
Tebow and his teams win games. Being a quarterback is as much about being a skilled passer, defense reader, and decision maker as it is staying cool under pressure, getting guys to follow you, and being a leader.
Plenty of great players in their sports put up big numbers, Lebron James is a great example, but they don't win games or championships. Who ever walks away with the trophy in the end is the player that has accomplished the goal of a pro athlete.
Will Tebow win a Championship? Time will tell. |
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rollo
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| The pro game is different so I do not know that Tebow will win championships. His mechanics can be improved. he has a great work ethic, and he is very good at reading defenses. The excess negativity by so many is the reason I defend the guy. They act like he has no talent at all. Also his faith , is his business, he shows it off but you do not have to pay attention to it. He sells tickets and it has been a good story. Every team Florida played stacked their defense to stop him and he gutted them. Do not sell him short. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Ahhh. Now that was a refreshing dose of reality.
Thank you, Pats. |
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rollo
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| Tebow was not playing defense. Not that it would have mattered even God couldn't stop Tom Brady when he is having an "on" day. |
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Adam Carolla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| My favorite part of the Newton/Tebow comparison is that Tebow was the starter over Newton at Florida. How much better would the Gators have been had Urban Meyer taken of the Tebow-specs and played the better QB? |
College statistics and records
At the end of his college career, Tebow held 5 NCAA, 14 Southeastern Conference, and 28 University of Florida statistical records[82]. He was the SEC's all-time leader in career passing efficiency (176.0), completion percentage (67.1%), passing touchdown to interception ratio (5.5 to 1), rushing yards by a quarterback (2947), rushing touchdowns by players at any position (57), and total touchdowns responsible for (145).[5][83] He also ranked second in career passing efficiency and third in career yards per attempt (9.33) in NCAA history.
I don't really see how Cam Newton could've done better than THAT in college.
Tebow won the Heisman as a sophmore, the first Sophmore to ever do so. |
Did you see Newton's stats for his senior year? On an Auburn team that had nowhere near the caliber of athletes that Florida had during Tebow's collegiate career.
Just imagine what his stats would have been at Florida over the course of 4 years. Personally, given how he played his senior and rookie season, I don't find it at all hard to believe that Newton would have been a superior college QB, but he wasn't given an opportunity because he played backup to Tebow, who, it seems, was the beneficiary of being surrounded by superior athletes at Florida, a benefit he doesn't have in the NFL. |
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Adam Carolla
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Tebow was not playing defense. Not that it would have mattered even God couldn't stop Tom Brady when he is having an "on" day. |
9-26 for 136 yards. Didn't look like he was playing offense either. |
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