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A Korean �Sacred Duty� Harbors a Dark Side
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: A Korean �Sacred Duty� Harbors a Dark Side Reply with quote

The Korean article reported the bullying as "alleged". The New York Times article confirms that investigators came to the conclusion that bullying was indeed involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/world/asia/31marines.html?pagewanted=all

SEOUL, South Korea � �If anyone could be a marine, I�d never have joined.� That is the slogan of South Korea�s Marine Corps, and it speaks volumes about the force�s sense of its elite status; it is a particularly bold assertion in a country where most able-bodied men perform mandatory military service.

These days, however, that marine pride, and the discipline of the South Korean military in general, has come under uncomfortable scrutiny.

In June, some marines fired their rifles toward a civilian passenger plane approaching the Seoul airport, mistaking it for a North Korean aircraft in an episode that has raised questions about the marines� training and preparedness. (Fortunately, they did not hit the plane.)

But a series of very different episodes that followed in quick succession this month have proved even more troubling for many South Koreans.

On July 4, a marine corporal who investigators said was bullied by others in his barracks went on a shooting rampage, killing four marines and wounding a fifth. On July 10, a marine private hanged himself. Bruises, possibly from an earlier beating, were found on his chest. Four days later, a marine master sergeant killed himself, also by hanging.


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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullied soldier sentenced to death for retaliation Reply with quote

Stout wrote:
found to be mentally unstable at the time of the shooting, was angered by alleged bullying and beatings by his colleagues.


Some societies have an extraordinary need to have a wangta or hate-figure.

UK is another one. A teasing/bullying culture.

Its a mark of insecurity.
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also these are societies where this tone of intolerance is purposively set from above, in order to ensure that the majority of citizens remain malleable to the designs of those on top.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, Stout, you really know how to make an accurate thread title. At least, that would be the case in an alternate universe. In this one, your thread title does not describe reality. The corporal was sentenced to death for murder.

We get it. You hate the military, any military, all military. That does not mean you can just toss out anything at all and expect it to be considered factual.
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Wow, Stout, you really know how to make an accurate thread title. At least, that would be the case in an alternate universe. In this one, your thread title does not describe reality. The corporal was sentenced to death for murder.

We get it. You hate the military, any military, all military. That does not mean you can just toss out anything at all and expect it to be considered factual.


This ain't something that I "tossed out" there. This is something reported on because, as the article states, he retaliated for being bullied.

If u want to contend that he wasn't actually bulllied and just murdered the four in cold blood for no reason, u can take it up with the court prosecution team.

And if u can't handle all the negative news coming out related to the military, maybe u should get out, 'cuz u sure as hell ain't gonna change it.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The event itself isn't something you tossed out there. Your thread title certainly is. Try being completely accurate in what he was actually punished for: murder. Your choice of wording is disingenuous.

And this bs from you
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If u want to contend that he wasn't actually bulllied and just murdered the four in cold blood for no reason, u can take it up with the court prosecution team.


is completely dishonest as I never put forth that sentiment.

By the way, I'm not in the military. I'm retired from the Navy.

Done here. Troll on, troll.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
your thread title does not describe reality. The corporal was sentenced to death for murder.


That is true..but criminal acts usually have an identifiable cause.

You saying its OK to punish the crime but tolerate the causes of it?
Obviously the system whereby people are abused in the military needs to be reformed.

A military cannot be strong without values.
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NovaKart



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really sad that a mentally unstable young man is forced into the military and subject to abuse. And then people wonder why this happens.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
You saying its OK to punish the crime but tolerate the causes of it?


No. You and Stoid both need to learn how to comprehend what's actually written.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stout wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
Wow, Stout, you really know how to make an accurate thread title. At least, that would be the case in an alternate universe. In this one, your thread title does not describe reality. The corporal was sentenced to death for murder.

We get it. You hate the military, any military, all military. That does not mean you can just toss out anything at all and expect it to be considered factual.


This ain't something that I "tossed out" there. This is something reported on because, as the article states, he retaliated for being bullied.

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No the article did not say that.

Google "alleged" and learn how it is different than "proved". Then get back to us.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullied soldier sentenced to death for retaliation Reply with quote