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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| The British are the world's greatest thieves of cookery. Very little was actually invented in England in terms of recipes. They borrowed and stole everything from other countries during their reign of terror. |
Meaning: They're good at ruining it. It makes sense as to why England is so culinary bland and unappealing in its present state. Us Americans, on the other hand, get inquisitive Dave's threads thrown our way.  |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| The British are the world's greatest thieves of cookery. Very little was actually invented in England in terms of recipes. They borrowed and stole everything from other countries during their reign of terror. |
Meaning: They're good at ruining it. It makes sense as to why England is so culinary bland and unappealing in its present state. Us Americans, on the other hand, get inquisitive Dave's threads thrown our way. |
A statement from someone who clearly knows nothing about food. England has the third highest amount of Michelin star restaurants in the world and food history dating back hundreds of years. May i suggest you watch Heston Blumenthals shows about feasts online, Victorian era, Tudor era etc.. Then you will see the apparent lack of food history we have.
One thing you do have over on us is the ability to take a concept or recipe and turn it into a tasteless, tacky, mass produced fast food outlet, congratulations! |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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You know what else the British stole from America?
HP sauce. It was invented and marketed by a man named Cecil Gonharrhiel, an immigrant from the Netherlands in Boston, 1886. He shared it (he thought Frederick Garton was his friend) with Garton, who then took the idea back to England and the rest is history. Everyone in Boston knows that Gonharrhiel from the Netherlands invented it. He was actually friends with the grandson of Henderson Brand, inventor of the A-1 sauce (1824).
See? They steal so much and try to pass it off as their own. Such thievery. tsk tsk. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
You know what else the British stole from America?
HP sauce. It was invented and marketed by a man named Cecil Gonharrhiel, an immigrant from the Netherlands in Boston, 1886. He shared it (he thought Frederick Garton was his friend) with Garton, who then took the idea back to England and the rest is history. Everyone in Boston knows that Gonharrhiel from the Netherlands invented it. He was actually friends with the grandson of Henderson Brand, inventor of the A-1 sauce (1824).
See? They steal so much and try to pass it off as their own. Such thievery. tsk tsk. |
haha So according to some posters in this thread we have stolen the following items from the innovative Americans:
Fish and Chips
HP Sauce
Yorkshire Pudding
English Breakfast
Continental Breakfast ( which is not even British its from the mainland continent of Europe)
What a joke, research clearly shows that none of these things are actually American.
A quick walk down an American street where you can see the "staples" of the cuisine show that they are almost all stolen from other countries.
Hotdog & Hamburger - Germany
Pizza, Mac and Cheese - Italy
Tacos and lots of other Mexican foods ( albeit very bad versions of them)
Sandwich, Apple Pie - England
Waffles - Belgium
Bagels - Poland
These are a few which come to mind, there are many others. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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See, you seem stuck on this mac and cheese thing. The amazing versions of mac and cheese that hail from the American South are vast improvements over their European predecessors and serve as merely a complimentary dish to go with amazing southern style meats. Together with other southern treats like collard greens, corn bread, ect. American BBQ is a juggernaut of flavor. I can't expect you to understand that though as you'd go to the UK and think their corn is on par with the fresh corn from America's lush farms. As I travel through the UK in the coming weeks I will look upon the sad corn there and shake my head thinking of you. You have my pity.[/quote]
You wont need to shake your head in pity, you will be too busy sampling the delights of British food to be worried about corn and mac and cheese. Also the corn season has finished so you wont be eating it i`m afraid, what a shame  |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| adzee1 wrote: |
| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| The British are the world's greatest thieves of cookery. Very little was actually invented in England in terms of recipes. They borrowed and stole everything from other countries during their reign of terror. |
Meaning: They're good at ruining it. It makes sense as to why England is so culinary bland and unappealing in its present state. Us Americans, on the other hand, get inquisitive Dave's threads thrown our way. |
A statement from someone who clearly knows nothing about food. England has the third highest amount of Michelin star restaurants in the world and food history dating back hundreds of years. May i suggest you watch Heston Blumenthals shows about feasts online, Victorian era, Tudor era etc.. Then you will see the apparent lack of food history we have.
One thing you do have over on us is the ability to take a concept or recipe and turn it into a tasteless, tacky, mass produced fast food outlet, congratulations! |
I've heard there are a lot of French chefs working in the UK. Stop trolling an American food thread with your British food self-righteousness. Now, back to the discussion. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I like English pub food, but that's because I'm a huge fan of cheese and pickle sandwiches and jacket potatoes. I'm surprised that I only gained 1 kg during my vacation this winter! (I lost it the following week, though.)
Anyway, mac and cheese was never really much of a side in my house. My mom would make a casserole of the stuff, then bread and fry some fish to go with it. I usually had more macaroni than fish, but I was a kid. Nowadays, it'd be the other way around, with more fish than pasta.
Coleslaw does kick butt, but I only have it in the summer when my dad barbecues or when I visit my grandma. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just to show you the extent of British thievery, let me also point out that the Union Jack was actually the design and creation of James Staunchclap of Taunton, Massachusetts, USA. He had the idea of joining St. Andrews cross and St. George's cross together. He traveled all the way to see King James IV in Scotland. They thanked him, sent him home, and then adopted the flag three years later. First for maritime use, then within 50 years, it became widespread. That's the story I've been hearing from my uncle in Boston my whole life.
I think there's a lot of 'nicking' going on behind the scenes the British don't want you to know about....and that whole James Bond thing...utterly ridiculous...the Brits copy everything. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Is mac and cheese really American? Can't believe noone in Italy thought of putting cheese and macaroni together. |
Yes you are right it was eaten by Italians first, and later British people before making it across the pond. |
Process Cheese is DISTINCTLY American, and American Mac and Cheese is macaroni, cheese power, milk, and butter. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Just to show you the extent of British thievery, let me also point out that the Union Jack was actually the design and creation of James Staunchclap of Taunton, Massachusetts, USA. He had the idea of joining St. Andrews cross and St. George's cross together. He traveled all the way to see King James IV in Scotland. They thanked him, sent him home, and then adopted the flag three years later. First for maritime use, then within 50 years, it became widespread. That's the story I've been hearing from my uncle in Boston my whole life. |
Given the original Union Jack (without the cross of St. Patrick) was first adopted in 1606, even if a someone from the colonies created it, they still would have been a British citizen, since at the time the colonies were still under British rule (i.e. he wasn't from the USA because it didn't exist yet). Thus you'd have to be a bitter jackanape to consider that theft. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| adzee1 wrote: |
| Skipperoo wrote: |
| Is mac and cheese really American? Can't believe noone in Italy thought of putting cheese and macaroni together. |
Yes you are right it was eaten by Italians first, and later British people before making it across the pond. |
Process Cheese is DISTINCTLY American, and American Mac and Cheese is macaroni, cheese power, milk, and butter. |
Yes thats really something to be proud of.. Processed cheese is one of the nastiest things i have ever had the misfortune to eat.
Cheese power ?? is that some kind of American superhero or something ? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| adzee1 wrote: |
| Skipperoo wrote: |
| Is mac and cheese really American? Can't believe noone in Italy thought of putting cheese and macaroni together. |
Yes you are right it was eaten by Italians first, and later British people before making it across the pond. |
Process Cheese is DISTINCTLY American, and American Mac and Cheese is macaroni, cheese power, milk, and butter. |
No. Cheap/quick American mac and cheese is what you are describing. Traditional macaroni and cheese involves real cheeses (more than one,) cream or milk, mustard, and a bit of chili powder, as well as the macaroni.
Note: All cheese is processed. Making cheese is a processed. Boiling eggs is a process. That's like saying that you don't like chemicals. Even water is a chemical. What you mean by processed cheese is "embalmed cheese food." Yes. It's crap. Real macaroni and cheese would never involve that trashy foodstuff.
Okay, back on topic. Let's end the Mac'N'Cheese stuff and think of some other American foods. The corn dog comes to mind. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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No. Cheap/quick American mac and cheese is what you are describing. Traditional macaroni and cheese involves real cheeses (more than one,) cream or milk, mustard, and a bit of chili powder, as well as the macaroni.
Note: All cheese is processed. Making cheese is a processed. Boiling eggs is a process. That's like saying that you don't like chemicals. Even water is a chemical. What you mean by processed cheese is "embalmed cheese food." Yes. It's crap. Real macaroni and cheese would never involve that trashy foodstuff.
Okay, back on topic. Let's end the Mac'N'Cheese stuff and think of some other American foods. The corn dog comes to mind. |
Yes but some cheese does not have additives, preservatives and who knows what else. I prefer my cheese to only contain natural ingredients instead of tasting like rubber. |
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Maserial
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: The Web
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that I'd be especially eager to claim them as such, but I suppose Chinook Olives qualify as truly American food. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| adzee1 wrote: |
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No. Cheap/quick American mac and cheese is what you are describing. Traditional macaroni and cheese involves real cheeses (more than one,) cream or milk, mustard, and a bit of chili powder, as well as the macaroni.
Note: All cheese is processed. Making cheese is a processed. Boiling eggs is a process. That's like saying that you don't like chemicals. Even water is a chemical. What you mean by processed cheese is "embalmed cheese food." Yes. It's crap. Real macaroni and cheese would never involve that trashy foodstuff.
Okay, back on topic. Let's end the Mac'N'Cheese stuff and think of some other American foods. The corn dog comes to mind. |
Yes but some cheese does not have additives, preservatives and who knows what else. I prefer my cheese to only contain natural ingredients instead of tasting like rubber. |
All cheese has additives, even if it's as simple as lemon juice or vinegar. I'm joshing with you, though. I know what you mean. There are times, however, when I'm craving the nasty grilled cheese on white bread that I had as a little kid, and nothing else will do but "cheese food" slices. This craving hits perhaps once a year.
Great Recipe Alert:
Using whatever bread you like (I bake my own bran bread, but the Romanian peasant bread at Tartine would also be perfect,) put cheddar on one side, cream cheese on the other, and roasted (I can't get fresh, so I just use the stuff in the jars) jalapenos in between. Add a few nacho chips to give it crunch, then make it as though you were making a grilled cheese (butter on the outside) or panini. It's divine.
I'm a cheese snob, myself, and have a freezer full of stuff that I just brought back from England. One of my friends here MAKES cheese, so I consider myself fortunate to have an ample cheese supply. |
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