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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
Start by checking out Brown's "Principles of Language Learning and Teaching" (you might be able to find parts of it online, either in Google Books or as a PDF file). |
Start indeed. Brown's book is more like a compendium of references. Not much use except as you said, a starting point to find references, but yes, a must-have of dust-collecting shelf fillers. Korean profs quite like it though; my uni's English ed department uses for sophomore courses; a very paper-testable book.
Also, from our earlier discussion: I didn't ignore your reference to linguistic imperialism, I just don't have much interest in the topic. I am a subscriber to the older notion of that being akin to imperialism and thus, somewhat dated (read:irrelevant). How you and others interpret the term, I see as perhaps more a branch of whateverology. Not my area. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
Start by checking out Brown's "Principles of Language Learning and Teaching" (you might be able to find parts of it online, either in Google Books or as a PDF file). |
Start indeed. Brown's book is more like a compendium of references. Not much use except as you said, a starting point to find references, but yes, a must-have of dust-collecting shelf fillers. Korean profs quite like it though; my uni's English ed department uses for sophomore courses; a very paper-testable book.
Also, from our earlier discussion: I didn't ignore your reference to linguistic imperialism, I just don't have much interest in the topic. I am a subscriber to the older notion of that being akin to imperialism and thus, somewhat dated (read:irrelevant). How you and others interpret the term, I see as perhaps more a branch of whateverology. Not my area. |
I know all too well that Brown's book is an introductory textbook (it's been gathering dust on my bookshelf for years). But, it seems to be the one most people start on, which is why I suggested it.
Sophomore course? I can beat that. Based on the discussions I've had with a graduate student at the university where I work, it's the most important textbook in the graduate program there.
Linguistic imperialism is an interesting concept, but some researchers do get carried away with the rhetoric (I think they miss that Phillipson was taking an extreme position in order to get a discussion going...and maybe make a name for himself). Frankly, I don't give it too much consideration in my own research. There's no point trying to better yourself as a teacher if you're convinced that your students are being victimized by the mere fact that English is a required subject. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Sorry, too late. I left Korea 2 years ago.
My last co-teacher would not listen to anything I suggested, refused to let me try anything I had prepared, and then complained that I was lazy at the end of the year.
Instead, she asked me to present things that I knew were waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy over the heads of the students once in a while, but mostly she just wanted me to stand back and let her run her class.
My experience was and is not at all an uncommon one.
I've talked to many NETs in elementary schools with similar complaints.
So I don't believe it's just .... me. |
Oh, I believe in your statement 100%. I had a similar experience like yours back when I was a GEPIK NET. GEPIK is now a disgraced pile of public junk. The South Korean president indirectly killed GEPIK anyways by illegally passing a bill the didn't provide any public school budget for Gyeonggido-based public schools from the central government.
At least the NETs I personally know are now comfortable with the idea of working for hagweon franchises. And not to mention that more and more Korean public school teachers are prematurely quitting the workforce. Hence the bigger reliance of math and English hagweon franchises compare to 2 years ago.
What is the lesson? Public schools in Korea are becoming worthless. (Don't complain about what I mention. Truth never lies) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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It's just sad really. I really wanted to do a good job and was open to whatever my co-teacher wanted.
But sadly, what she wanted most was to see me gone. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's just sad really. I really wanted to do a good job and was open to whatever my co-teacher wanted.
But sadly, what she wanted most was to see me gone. |
Just to let you know. You're not the only one who complains about co-teachers. I believe my GEPIK co-teacher and the VP should royally go to (insert evil devils' place of hot brimstones) for neglecting her job as a crappy co-teacher who told other teachers that I was an evil gyopo who thought differently from other generic Koreans.
Not to mention she acted like a spoiled 8 year old girl who got some plastic surgeries.  |
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xinster
Joined: 04 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's just sad really. I really wanted to do a good job and was open to whatever my co-teacher wanted.
But sadly, what she wanted most was to see me gone. |
Just to let you know. You're not the only one who complains about co-teachers. I believe my GEPIK co-teacher and the VP should royally go to (insert evil devils' place of hot brimstones) for neglecting her job as a crappy co-teacher who told other teachers that I was an evil gyopo who thought differently from other generic Koreans.
Not to mention she acted like a spoiled 8 year old girl who got some plastic surgeries. |
She sounds hot. Wash she hot? |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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They wouldn't even pay for schooling for Korean teachers, why would they do it for NETS? The government does not care about you enough to make this kind of investment and they don't expect that much out of you. You're disposable one-year contracted assistant teachers providing conversation practice to Korean students, icing on the cake, nothing more. They're perfectly happy with a bright-eyed straight out of college type with which the kids can practice "Do you like kimchi?" and "Why you come to Korea?"
All the talk about NETS qualifications and effective language teaching is just a red herring. It's not what you were hired for.
| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
This is what I would do if I were in charge:
A joint venture between a top Korean university and the government to accept NETS into a special four year program that includes both work and education. By completing the program, the NET would:
(1) Be a certified teacher
(2) Be functionally fluent in Korean.
(3) Have four years of recognized teaching experience
(4) incur ZERO educational costs
(5) Be provided with an apartment and sufficient cash for living expenses
(6) Be provided a three week vacation back home, airfare covered, annually
(7) Upon graduation, receive a 20 million won completion bonus.
Make a quality program that is recognized worldwide. I GUARANTEE you Korean could get enough teachers to sign up.
After a few years, Korea would only have certified teachers in their schools, with most of them being at least proficient in Korean.
I would also think a lot of graduates would stay as they've come to learn the language and the wage would be a competitive one. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
...I...thought differently from other generic Koreans.
...who got some plastic surgeries. |
Looks pretty generic Korean from here.  |
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