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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| �Kwak�s return to work is not good news. There could be a lot of confusion over educational policies,� |
In other words, back to business as usual.
No wonder there's confusion. Between the bribes, favors, and shuffling supervisors around as the wind blows, there must be plenty of sketchy things going on.
You'd think as a government entity representing Korean education, there would be some sort of organization and professionalism, but it seems no better than a shady hagwon. |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
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| �Kwak�s return to work is not good news. There could be a lot of confusion over educational policies,� |
In other words, back to business as usual.
No wonder there's confusion. Between the bribes, favors, and shuffling supervisors around as the wind blows, there must be plenty of sketchy things going on.
You'd think as a government entity representing Korean education, there would be some sort of organization and professionalism, but it seems no better than a shady hagwon. |
Does make one wonder doesn't it? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not the actual bribery that is so terrible, because it is certainly not unique to Korea. It is the sheer brazeness of it that is so incredible. High ranking public officials, teachers, pastors, policeman, business owners etc - they are all at it because they know the punishment will probably not be too severe. |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not the actual bribery that is so terrible, because it is certainly not unique to Korea. It is the sheer brazeness of it that is so incredible. High ranking public officials, teachers, pastors, policeman, business owners etc - they are all at it because they know the punishment will probably not be too severe. |
Yeah, it looks like he can just go back to the office and hang out the "open for business" sign again.
It's too bad seeing this in education. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| english puppet wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| It's not the actual bribery that is so terrible, because it is certainly not unique to Korea. It is the sheer brazeness of it that is so incredible. High ranking public officials, teachers, pastors, policeman, business owners etc - they are all at it because they know the punishment will probably not be too severe. |
Yeah, it looks like he can just go back to the office and hang out the "open for business" sign again.
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How do you get that from this?
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The capital�s education chief said he would appeal, maintaining his innocence.
�The money I gave to Park had nothing to do with his withdrawal from the election. The ruling was clearly wrong,� the 58-year-old liberal educator told reporters. �I�m not guilty so I will appeal.�
He also denounced the prosecution�s investigation as being politically motivated and distorted, saying he would fight to the last to prove his innocence.
If Kwak�s sentence is upheld by an appellate court and the Supreme Court he will lose his position.
Any civil servant or elected official who is fined more than 1 million won is automatically removed from office.
Kwak will also have to return 3.5 billion won he received from the National Election Commission as campaign expenses after winning the 2010 race, if the Supreme Court rules him guilty.
The prosecution had demanded a four-year prison sentence for the former law professor. Sources said the prosecution wasn�t satisfied with the verdict either, indicating it would appeal. |
He's far from being out of the woods yet.
He could still lose his job which looks more likely then not and the prosecution is gunning for him.
(bolding mine) |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| english puppet wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| It's not the actual bribery that is so terrible, because it is certainly not unique to Korea. It is the sheer brazeness of it that is so incredible. High ranking public officials, teachers, pastors, policeman, business owners etc - they are all at it because they know the punishment will probably not be too severe. |
Yeah, it looks like he can just go back to the office and hang out the "open for business" sign again.
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How do you get that from this?
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The capital�s education chief said he would appeal, maintaining his innocence.
�The money I gave to Park had nothing to do with his withdrawal from the election. The ruling was clearly wrong,� the 58-year-old liberal educator told reporters. �I�m not guilty so I will appeal.�
He also denounced the prosecution�s investigation as being politically motivated and distorted, saying he would fight to the last to prove his innocence.
If Kwak�s sentence is upheld by an appellate court and the Supreme Court he will lose his position.
Any civil servant or elected official who is fined more than 1 million won is automatically removed from office.
Kwak will also have to return 3.5 billion won he received from the National Election Commission as campaign expenses after winning the 2010 race, if the Supreme Court rules him guilty.
The prosecution had demanded a four-year prison sentence for the former law professor. Sources said the prosecution wasn�t satisfied with the verdict either, indicating it would appeal. |
He's far from being out of the woods yet.
He could still lose his job which looks more likely then not and the prosecution is gunning for him.
(bolding mine) |
In the end you may be right. Until then, back to the office. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| english puppet wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| english puppet wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| It's not the actual bribery that is so terrible, because it is certainly not unique to Korea. It is the sheer brazeness of it that is so incredible. High ranking public officials, teachers, pastors, policeman, business owners etc - they are all at it because they know the punishment will probably not be too severe. |
Yeah, it looks like he can just go back to the office and hang out the "open for business" sign again.
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How do you get that from this?
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The capital�s education chief said he would appeal, maintaining his innocence.
�The money I gave to Park had nothing to do with his withdrawal from the election. The ruling was clearly wrong,� the 58-year-old liberal educator told reporters. �I�m not guilty so I will appeal.�
He also denounced the prosecution�s investigation as being politically motivated and distorted, saying he would fight to the last to prove his innocence.
If Kwak�s sentence is upheld by an appellate court and the Supreme Court he will lose his position.
Any civil servant or elected official who is fined more than 1 million won is automatically removed from office.
Kwak will also have to return 3.5 billion won he received from the National Election Commission as campaign expenses after winning the 2010 race, if the Supreme Court rules him guilty.
The prosecution had demanded a four-year prison sentence for the former law professor. Sources said the prosecution wasn�t satisfied with the verdict either, indicating it would appeal. |
He's far from being out of the woods yet.
He could still lose his job which looks more likely then not and the prosecution is gunning for him.
(bolding mine) |
In the end you may be right. Until then, back to the office. |
Well, the press seems to suggest he's not out-of-the-woods. I understand it's too much the norm to bribe people, but Korea really needs to clean house. Confucius (Kongja) wouldn't be pleased with such things. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The guy will serve time when the supreme court upholds the ruling. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The guy will serve time when the supreme court upholds the ruling. |
They need to make an example of someone, because at the moment it smacks of cronysim. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
You'd think as a government entity representing Korean education, there would be some sort of organization and professionalism, but it seems no better than a shady hagwon. |
The entire COUNTRY's no better than a shady hagwon, and this is an insult to shady hagwons. Even a Korean wouldn't trust a Korean farther than they can throw one.
In other news, Samsung gets off scot free because they confessed to colluding which earned them hundreds of millions in illicit profits. A crime that would get each CEO at at least a 5 years in federal prison and their companies fined into bankruptcy in the US. The original fine imposed? $40 million or something. Of course they'll keep doing it. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
You'd think as a government entity representing Korean education, there would be some sort of organization and professionalism, but it seems no better than a shady hagwon. |
The entire COUNTRY's no better than a shady hagwon, and this is an insult to shady hagwons. Even a Korean wouldn't trust a Korean farther than they can throw one.
In other news, Samsung gets off scot free because they confessed to colluding which earned them hundreds of millions in illicit profits. A crime that would get each CEO at at least a 5 years in federal prison and their companies fined into bankruptcy in the US. The original fine imposed? $40 million or something. Of course they'll keep doing it. |
Yes, they will. I'm just surprised it doesn't seem to make much headlines outside Korea. Seems like it would affect things like trade deals, olympic bids, etc. if more people outside Korea knew these types of details.
And I don't know about the intricacies of international business or trade, but couldn't other countries/partners use this kind of stuff as leverage? i.e. "Well your CEO is a convicted criminal, this raises a lot of red flags so we're going to need a better deal now as a type of risk insurance. Our reputation could be on the line just for doing business with you." Not that they'd put it like that but you know what I mean? |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| There are a lot of issues related to this. I have a friend who's in the process of taking a University to court over contract problems. For obvious reasons, I can't go into any details but it comes down to contracts that are wildly reinterpreted later by the Korean side of the table. According to a couple of people I know, this isn't uncommon within higher education and there's a growing & negative reputation around bad faith negotiating once people are at the college/university etc.. |
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