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Dwenjoen88
Joined: 10 Jan 2012
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 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: stolen iphone |
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Why does Apple not offer a world-wide shutdown on their phones if they are stolen?
I know one can contact carriers in their country to attempt to prevent others from using it on that network, but thieves can just ship it off to another country.
As I know one cannot shutdown their phone once it's been reformatted, which is probably the first thing a thief would do.
Is their any further action one can take? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Password lock your iphone. turn on the option to wipe the data after 10 failed password attempts. |
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Dwenjoen88
Joined: 10 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| that won't prevent them from selling it again after they reboot it will it? |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Contact your provider anyway and tell them to block the IMEI. They will have that on file and it will prevent the phone from being used in Korea (and possibly worldwide, but I forget the details).
Ideally the potential buyer would test the phone and see it not working. Or the thief would bring it to a phone shop, the shop would see it's stolen, and the police would arrest the thief. One can dream, right? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Dwenjoen88 wrote: |
| that won't prevent them from selling it again after they reboot it will it? |
Once the phone is stolen, does it matter what the thief does with it?
Will it make you feel better if the thief smashed the phone the ground instead of sell it to someone else? |
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jackdaniels
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: imei |
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The super phone nerds can switch the imei.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: stolen iphone |
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| Dwenjoen88 wrote: |
Why does Apple not offer a world-wide shutdown on their phones if they are stolen?
I know one can contact carriers in their country to attempt to prevent others from using it on that network, but thieves can just ship it off to another country.
As I know one cannot shutdown their phone once it's been reformatted, which is probably the first thing a thief would do.
Is their any further action one can take? |
Apple certainly has the capability of blocking stolen phones (since Iphones must be registered via Itunes in order to be used), you run into the the problem of identifying stolen phones.
How is Apple to be sure the phone is stolen? You report your phone stolen thorugh their website? Through a police report? how is Apple then going to verify if the phone is REALLY stolen, or if it has been sold legally, reported stolen, or just simply reported stolen for insurance purposes.
Are police departments supposed to forward all police reports about stolen Apple products to Apple?
Lets say I buy an Iphone as a gift to a GF, we break up, and I report it as stolen. What if I buy an Iphone off the internet and 6 months after using, the buyer reports it as stolen?
How angry would YOU be if you bought an Iphone from someone then a month later they report it stolen and suddenly ALL your data on that phone is erased?
It is practically impossible for Apple to keep track or verify stolen iphones. The only thing that identifies your phone from others through Apple's servers is your Apple ID number. What if someone hacked your ID and reported your phone stolen? All your data is gone.
You mentioned world-wide shutdown with stolen phones. How is Apple going to verify a phone was stolen in China? Are they going to send investigators to BEijing to obtain copies of police reports and evidence? |
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soulofseoul
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: stolen iphone |
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[quote="pkang0202"][quote="Dwenjoen88"]Why does Apple not offer a world-wide shutdown on their phones if they are stolen?
I know one can contact carriers in their country to attempt to prevent others from using it on that network, but thieves can just ship it off to another country.
As I know one cannot shutdown their phone once it's been reformatted, which is probably the first thing a thief would do.
Is their any further action one can take?[/quote]
Apple certainly has the capability of blocking stolen phones (since Iphones must be registered via Itunes in order to be used), you run into the the problem of identifying stolen phones.
How is Apple to be sure the phone is stolen? You report your phone stolen thorugh their website? Through a police report? how is Apple then going to verify if the phone is REALLY stolen, or if it has been sold legally, reported stolen, or just simply reported stolen for insurance purposes.
Are police departments supposed to forward all police reports about stolen Apple products to Apple?
Lets say I buy an Iphone as a gift to a GF, we break up, and I report it as stolen. What if I buy an Iphone off the internet and 6 months after using, the buyer reports it as stolen?
[b]How angry would YOU be if you bought an Iphone from someone then a month later they report it stolen and suddenly ALL your data on that phone is erased?[/b]
It is practically impossible for Apple to keep track or verify stolen iphones. The only thing that identifies your phone from others through Apple's servers is your Apple ID number. What if someone hacked your ID and reported your phone stolen? All your data is gone.
You mentioned world-wide shutdown with stolen phones. How is Apple going to verify a phone was stolen in China? Are they going to send investigators to BEijing to obtain copies of police reports and evidence?[/quote]
Thats why you go Android, FTW!! |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: stolen iphone |
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| soulofseoul wrote: |
Thats why you go Android, FTW!! |
How would going Android solve the problem of stolen phones? Ah.... maybe its because no one WANTS to steal an Android phone.
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darkjedidave
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
Location: Shanghai/Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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That is the best reason to buy a Simbian, no one would dare steal it  |
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soulofseoul
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: stolen iphone |
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| soulofseoul wrote: |
Thats why you go Android, FTW!! |
How would going Android solve the problem of stolen phones? Ah.... maybe its because no one WANTS to steal an Android phone.
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coz Android rules and crApple doesnt!
Galaxy series puts iphones to shame haha
I hope you apple sheep run to the police complaning about a lost phone
what a joke hahaah that would be hilarious.
Sheep: Please officer find my iphone.
Officer: Get a life! |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Find my iphone
free app, apples provided it for a long time. The GPS does not work in Korea, but the other functions do work. You can remote wipe and send a text message to your phone as well as lock it.
If it truly is stolen, you may be able to get them to enable the GPS so that you could actually find it.
http://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Dwenjoen88 wrote: |
| that won't prevent them from selling it again after they reboot it will it? |
Once the phone is stolen, does it matter what the thief does with it?
Will it make you feel better if the thief smashed the phone the ground instead of sell it to someone else? |
It will make people less likely to steal phones.
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Dwenjoen88 wrote: |
Why does Apple not offer a world-wide shutdown on their phones if they are stolen?
I know one can contact carriers in their country to attempt to prevent others from using it on that network, but thieves can just ship it off to another country.
As I know one cannot shutdown their phone once it's been reformatted, which is probably the first thing a thief would do.
Is their any further action one can take? |
Apple certainly has the capability of blocking stolen phones (since Iphones must be registered via Itunes in order to be used), you run into the the problem of identifying stolen phones.
How is Apple to be sure the phone is stolen? You report your phone stolen thorugh their website? Through a police report? how is Apple then going to verify if the phone is REALLY stolen, or if it has been sold legally, reported stolen, or just simply reported stolen for insurance purposes.
Are police departments supposed to forward all police reports about stolen Apple products to Apple?
Lets say I buy an Iphone as a gift to a GF, we break up, and I report it as stolen. What if I buy an Iphone off the internet and 6 months after using, the buyer reports it as stolen?
How angry would YOU be if you bought an Iphone from someone then a month later they report it stolen and suddenly ALL your data on that phone is erased?
It is practically impossible for Apple to keep track or verify stolen iphones. The only thing that identifies your phone from others through Apple's servers is your Apple ID number. What if someone hacked your ID and reported your phone stolen? All your data is gone.
You mentioned world-wide shutdown with stolen phones. How is Apple going to verify a phone was stolen in China? Are they going to send investigators to BEijing to obtain copies of police reports and evidence? |
Easy fix. Make it so itunes can de-register a phone. Then, whenever you buy a used phone, you de-register if from itunes in front of the person (or have a feature that confirms its been de-registered). That way, responsible people can do their due diligence and can be assured they aren't being scammed.
People who don't do their due diligence and get scammed are of no concern to me. Those people already get scammed with the help of legitimate services and it's their own fault.
If the phone is reported stolen, apple takes it seriously and contacts the carrier. If the phone cannot be located, it gets blacklisted from all carriers. The police department deals with any criminal charges.
This is a low overhead system that would eliminate many of the incentives to steal locked phones. I'm not tech savvy, so I don't know if there is a way to uniquely identify phones that skilled hackers can't change, but if there is, this would work.
However, it wouldn't get implemented. Apple gets no money from the sale of used iphones and is therefore not interested in supporting aftermarket sales. Shame, because "there's no market for stolen iphones" would actually be a big draw to owning one. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
If the phone is reported stolen, apple takes it seriously and contacts the carrier. If the phone cannot be located, it gets blacklisted from all carriers. The police department deals with any criminal charges.
This is a low overhead system that would eliminate many of the incentives to steal locked phones. I'm not tech savvy, so I don't know if there is a way to uniquely identify phones that skilled hackers can't change, but if there is, this would work. |
Seems like a LOT of overhead to me.
1. First, the phone needs to be confirmed that its stolen. Just taking your word for it is not enough. Why do you think insurance companies require police reports for stolen property?
2. Secondly, with a police report you CAN get a replacement phone through your carrier or Apple, whoever you get insurance from.
3. Apple already provides means for you to erase your data so that thieves can not access it (automatic wipe after 10 failed password attempts. Remote wipe using Find my Iphone). What else do you need?
4. Blacklisting a phone so that it can not be used/activated across country borders is a nightmare in itself. If a phone is stolen, Apple is suppose to alert every carrier in every country that the phone shouldn't be activated? How often should that list be updated? Every day? Every hour? Every minute?
5. Finally, what you are suggesting is quite ridiculous really. Getting a phone stolen is not Apple nor the carrier's responsibility. YOU allowed it to be stolen so why should they do anything at all? They already try to protect your personal data by offering a few options in wiping the data.
They have a system in place that will let you replace your stolen phone with a new one at a fraction of the cost of buying another. Once a phone (or 99% of other products) there isn't much to do about it. That's called life.
What next? Do you want a self destruct button on bicycles to make them useless if they've been stolen? How about a taser built into your wallet so anyone who doesn't have your biometric info gets electrocuted. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
If the phone is reported stolen, apple takes it seriously and contacts the carrier. If the phone cannot be located, it gets blacklisted from all carriers. The police department deals with any criminal charges.
This is a low overhead system that would eliminate many of the incentives to steal locked phones. I'm not tech savvy, so I don't know if there is a way to uniquely identify phones that skilled hackers can't change, but if there is, this would work. |
Seems like a LOT of overhead to me.
1. First, the phone needs to be confirmed that its stolen. Just taking your word for it is not enough. Why do you think insurance companies require police reports for stolen property?
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Why would Apple need to confirm it's stolen? If the owner of the phone asks that it be located and put on the block list if not located, why not? The police can deal with the heavy legal stuff.
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2. Secondly, with a police report you CAN get a replacement phone through your carrier or Apple, whoever you get insurance from.
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Which means the thief wins and whoever deals with the insurance loses.
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3. Apple already provides means for you to erase your data so that thieves can not access it (automatic wipe after 10 failed password attempts. Remote wipe using Find my Iphone). What else do you need?
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My phone back?
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4. Blacklisting a phone so that it can not be used/activated across country borders is a nightmare in itself. If a phone is stolen, Apple is suppose to alert every carrier in every country that the phone shouldn't be activated? How often should that list be updated? Every day? Every hour? Every minute?
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How about everytime a phone is stolen? Apple sends a signal to add the number to various carrier databases. In the world of computers, that's hardly a "nightmare"
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5. Finally, what you are suggesting is quite ridiculous really. Getting a phone stolen is not Apple nor the carrier's responsibility. YOU allowed it to be stolen so why should they do anything at all? They already try to protect your personal data by offering a few options in wiping the data.
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It would be nice if they did. It shouldn't be that expensive. It makes the brand look better and the phone more desirable.
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They have a system in place that will let you replace your stolen phone with a new one at a fraction of the cost of buying another. Once a phone (or 99% of other products) there isn't much to do about it. That's called life.
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Its also a system where thieves benefit, where you lose you info, and are inconvenienced. Also, someone pays for your replaced phone.
You say "it's called life" if nothing can be done. That's not the case here.
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What next? Do you want a self destruct button on bicycles to make them useless if they've been stolen? How about a taser built into your wallet so anyone who doesn't have your biometric info gets electrocuted. |
How about gps built into the frame of the bike or a credit card that doesn't work without my biometric info. Those are all much better ideas actually related to what I was talking about that don't make you sound crazy. |
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