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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Are you invested in teaching in Korea? There are other choices (Vietnam, Thailand, China, to name a few) and those places will not care that you are a dual national. All they will care about is that you hold US citizenship and a university degree. |
Well, to be completely honest, I've always planned on living and having a career in Korea. So, teaching in countries besides Korea has never crossed my mind. But it is an option I'll look into... It's just that my family and I have been planning on moving to Korea for several years now. It's a complicated situation, mostly involving family. Since we're not very financially stable, I wanted to head out first to teach and save for 3 years or more. Then I could bring my family over, etc... Sorry about the life story, but yeah. This entire situation could have been avoided if only the visa rules stayed the same. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| One option is to come on over, take whatever job you can at a hagwon for kids and network till you drop. Get on the parents good side. Soon enough, you'll be asked to do privates. Get a license, never look back. That's part of the reason why Korean teachers aren't really paid all that great at hagwons, because for the ones who have any business acumen, it's a means to get their foot in the door for lucrative private tutoring gigs. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate everyone's input... and it's been mostly positive and encouraging. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for the double-post.
Called 3 consulates and they all said that renunciation of my Korean citizenship is impossible unless I serve the military or turn 36.
I guess women are allowed to, since they don't need to serve.
Ridiculous.
Anyone have a link to the updated rules regarding renunciation/dual citizenship?
I read this thread and thought I still had a chance:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=208429
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| In order to obtain an F-4 the rep told me that I would have to claim my Korean citizenship, return to the US, renounce my Korean citizenship, reenter Korea and apply for an F-4. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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if i were you, I wouldn't get on a plane. They could press you into military service when you get here as a male. Especially if you're a dual citizen.
Unless you can figure out a way to renounce or get confirmation that you don't have to serve in the military, I wouldn't enter the country.There have been people who have suddenly had to go to the military upon arrival in Korea to teach English. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I suggest you read this information from the Consular Services section of the Korean Embassy to the United States.
You think it's not fair that there are different rules for men and women? Well, here are two things for you to chew on.
- The Republic of Korea is at war. The government, especially the military, operates under that realization. The country they are at war against is still a very real and very dangerous threat, as evidenced by the sinking of a naval vessel and the bombing of a South Korea populated island. Women are not subject to conscription for essentially the same cultural and practical reasons that they are not in most other countries.
- As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa which would exempt you from the CBC and diploma apostille hassles the rest of us go through. Of course, you would still have to do that if you were to gain employment with the public schools, but you've indicated that you found employment with a hagweon. As a hagweon employee arriving with an F-series visa, you do not have to do that. How's that for fair?
Sorry, friend, but you're rapidly losing sympathy for your "plight" in trying to get to Korea.
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if i were you, I wouldn't get on a plane. They could press you into military service when you get here as a male. Especially if you're a dual citizen.
Unless you can figure out a way to renounce or get confirmation that you don't have to serve in the military, I wouldn't enter the country.There have been people who have suddenly had to go to the military upon arrival in Korea to teach English. |
One of my neighbors when I lived in Bucheon had neglected to get naturalized when he immigrated with his family to the US. He was about 4 or 5 years old when he immigrated. He didn't naturalize because it was apparently too much trouble and expense for him. He came to Korea to visit his grandmother. He got drafted and had to perform military service. The kicker--and one that he was not particulary thrilled with--is that he was not eligible to even try for the KATUSA program.
I agree with alongway: You should not even entertain the idea of setting foot in Korean territory until you are 36 years old (calendar age, not "Korean age"). Save yourself a lot of heartache and work in another country.
Oh, in case nobody's informed you yet, Korea draftees make something along the lines of $30 or $40 a month. I can't remember how much it is, but it's around that. Are you prepared for that?
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa |
Actually the way he describes it, and others have, is that it isn't that simple now. They may be trying to make ethnic Koreans take dual citizenship rather than give them F4s.
For women, it's not big deal. They don't have to go to the military. But guys? They'll be put into the military right away. You may see a significant decrease in the number of male gyopos coming over to teach English in the next few years, or coming over at all. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
I suggest you read this information from the Consular Services section of the Korean Embassy to the United States.
You think it's not fair that there are different rules for men and women? Well, here are two things for you to chew on.
1. The Republic of Korea is at war. The government, especially the military, operates under that realization. The country they are at war against is still a very real and very dangerous threat, as evidenced by the sinking of a naval vessel and the bombing of a South Korea populated island. Women are not subject to conscription for essentially the same cultural and practical reasons that they are not in most other countries.
2. As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa which would exempt you from the CBC and diploma apostille hassles the rest of us go through. Of course, you would still have to do that if you were to gain employment with the public schools, but you've indicated that you found employment with a hagweon. As a hagweon employee arriving with an F-series visa, you do not have to do that. How's that for fair?
Sorry, friend, but you're rapidly losing sympathy for your "plight" in trying to get to Korea. |
Uh... You need to brush up your comprehension skills. Number 2 is way off. I don't need your sympathy, friend. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| There's nothing at all wrong with my comprehension skills. And I don't give a hoot about your bloody feelings. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| There's nothing at all wrong with my comprehension skills. And I don't give a hoot about your bloody feelings. |
You're just making yourself look even more foolish. Yes, your comprehension skills are sorely lacking. What you wrote doesn't apply to me at all. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope you get drafted the second you arrive in Korea. That will be fair. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa |
Actually the way he describes it, and others have, is that it isn't that simple now. They may be trying to make ethnic Koreans take dual citizenship rather than give them F4s.
For women, it's not big deal. They don't have to go to the military. But guys? They'll be put into the military right away. You may see a significant decrease in the number of male gyopos coming over to teach English in the next few years, or coming over at all. |
Yeah, it seems like he just skimmed through my thread and just wants to troll.
Here's my situation all broken down into numbers (which you seem to favor) so that you can understand, CentralCali:
1. I was born in the United States.
2. My father was a green card holder at the time.
3. In May 2010, Korea made dual citizenship legal.
4. According to the updated dual citizenship/visa laws, Korean-Americans who were not 22 years old by May 2010 are automatically dual citizens if their fathers were still Korean citizens at the time of their birth.
5. This makes me and a ton of other Korean-Americans ineligible for any visas.
6. If the laws had stayed the same, I would've been able to get an F4 visa with no problem.
7. I had to register my name onto the family registry and apply for a Korean passport.
8. Most hagwons and schools don't offer English jobs to dual citizens, and if they do, there are no benefits + reduced salary.
I don't know why you're even mentioning CBCs. I went through the same hassle as everyone else.
As for military exemption, I just need to head down to my local consulate to sign a form for 2nd-generation Korean-Americans.
Troll harder. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa |
Actually the way he describes it, and others have, is that it isn't that simple now. They may be trying to make ethnic Koreans take dual citizenship rather than give them F4s.
For women, it's not big deal. They don't have to go to the military. But guys? They'll be put into the military right away. You may see a significant decrease in the number of male gyopos coming over to teach English in the next few years, or coming over at all. |
Yeah, it seems like he just skimmed through my thread and just wants to troll.
Here's my situation all broken down into numbers (which you seem to favor) so that you can understand, CentralCali:
1. I was born in the United States.
2. My father was a green card holder at the time.
3. In May 2010, Korea made dual citizenship legal.
4. According to the updated dual citizenship/visa laws, Korean-Americans who were not 22 years old by May 2010 are automatically dual citizens if their fathers were still Korean citizens at the time of their birth.
5. This makes me and a ton of other Korean-Americans ineligible for any visas.
6. If the laws had stayed the same, I would've been able to get an F4 visa with no problem.
7. I had to register my name onto the family registry and apply for a Korean passport.
8. Most hagwons and schools don't offer English jobs to dual citizens, and if they do, there are no benefits + reduced salary.
I don't know why you're even mentioning CBCs. I went through the same hassle as everyone else.
As for military exemption, I just need to head down to my local consulate to sign a form for 2nd-generation Korean-Americans.
Troll harder. |
Well you know what, if are exempt from the military. Don't worry about it. how's your Korean? Are you fluent?
If so, and you have a relevant bachelor's degree, come on over here to work and study for the PS exam for teachers to get a real teaching job. Within a few years you'll be making a much sweeter salary than 99% of the people here with benefits and lots of vacation. |
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pikadoopoo
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| pikadoopoo wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
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| As an ethnic Korean, you could have gotten an F-series visa |
Actually the way he describes it, and others have, is that it isn't that simple now. They may be trying to make ethnic Koreans take dual citizenship rather than give them F4s.
For women, it's not big deal. They don't have to go to the military. But guys? They'll be put into the military right away. You may see a significant decrease in the number of male gyopos coming over to teach English in the next few years, or coming over at all. |
Yeah, it seems like he just skimmed through my thread and just wants to troll.
Here's my situation all broken down into numbers (which you seem to favor) so that you can understand, CentralCali:
1. I was born in the United States.
2. My father was a green card holder at the time.
3. In May 2010, Korea made dual citizenship legal.
4. According to the updated dual citizenship/visa laws, Korean-Americans who were not 22 years old by May 2010 are automatically dual citizens if their fathers were still Korean citizens at the time of their birth.
5. This makes me and a ton of other Korean-Americans ineligible for any visas.
6. If the laws had stayed the same, I would've been able to get an F4 visa with no problem.
7. I had to register my name onto the family registry and apply for a Korean passport.
8. Most hagwons and schools don't offer English jobs to dual citizens, and if they do, there are no benefits + reduced salary.
I don't know why you're even mentioning CBCs. I went through the same hassle as everyone else.
As for military exemption, I just need to head down to my local consulate to sign a form for 2nd-generation Korean-Americans.
Troll harder. |
Well you know what, if are exempt from the military. Don't worry about it. how's your Korean? Are you fluent?
If so, and you have a relevant bachelor's degree, come on over here to work and study for the PS exam for teachers to get a real teaching job. Within a few years you'll be making a much sweeter salary than 99% of the people here with benefits and lots of vacation. |
Thanks for the advice. I speak Korean pretty well for a Korean-American since my family pretty much forced me to speak it at home. :p I did a lot of studying as well because I'd been wanting to go to Korea for a really long time now. What you suggested would be really great to achieve. I just need to consider all of these options and think positively. I do admit, online forums are sort of a place to vent for me, so I may come off quite childish. I'm not asking for sympathy, like some people might think. Just looking for advice and opinions. |
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fullcollapseCA
Joined: 03 Aug 2010
Location: Cheongju-@ a Hagwon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hey all!
I'm in a strange situation myself. I desperately want an F-4, but I can't offer proof of my parents surrendering their Korean citizenship because they are still Korean citizens and American citizens.
A little about me:
-24 year old male (American)
-Born in the US
-Not totally sure, but parents were US citizens at the time of my birth
-I have had an E-2 Visa and lived and worked in Korea for a year
- I have on the Korean family registry and was a dual citizen of Korea and the US up until I was 18.
Any way I can still apply for the F-4 visa? I have the paper that states that I gave up my Korean citizenship before I turned 18. Am I eligible for Korean citizenship without military duty? Thanks in advance!
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