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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Sure, after the US military goes in and wrecks havoc, the US gov't has no hand in setting up how the new regime operates, right 
As for world trade and shipping lanes, countries were actively and successfully pursuing those activies prior to US "security". U can also note that the threats to shipping come overwhelmingly from people who are at odds with US military/geo-political global policy. |
Prior to US security you had WWI and WWII. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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What need of a world war is there if in its stead u get the US simply getting involved in various conflicts on all continents, leading the way for other western powers to set up shop and gain access to natural resources and markets for their goods?
Globalization just means more nosh for the multinationals. And once you've reigned in someone who obeys all your rules and embraces/acknowledges all of your culture as superior, u set 'im up with a sweet deal for a little while, then have 'im sign an agreement which will let you devour him later. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| stout, do you have anything original to say or are you going to keep on repeating the typical usa-bashing and anti-globalization rants that can be found everywhere? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| stout, do you have anything original to say or are you going to keep on repeating the typical usa-bashing and anti-globalization rants that can be found everywhere? |
Well, well, bucheon bum, I've just been marking time in your absence.
We're all waiting to follow your example. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Sure, after the US military goes in and wrecks havoc, the US gov't has no hand in setting up how the new regime operates, right
As for world trade and shipping lanes, countries were actively and successfully pursuing those activies prior to US "security". U can also note that the threats to shipping come overwhelmingly from people who are at odds with US military/geo-political global policy. |
Prior to US security you had WWI and WWII. |
Actually the US built up the war potential of both the Nazis and the Soviets from the beginning. The entire Soviet economy was basically built up in the 30's by American corporations (over 500 state-of-the-art factories; the entire Five Year Plan was designed and implemented by the US), which continued all the way through the Cold War.
US corporations also funded and built up the German Wehrmacht prior to the war, including giving them vital technologies without which they could never have waged war (ex. Standard Oil giving tetra-ethyl lead technology to IG Farben to produce high-octane gasoline required for the Luftwaffe). It is well documented, and there was never any charges brought against the war profiteers in the US who funded both sides (Prescott Bush was famously a big-wig banker for the Harriman family's Union Banking Corporation, which funded the Nazis, and we all know what became of his sons)... The Nazis also borrowed all their eugenics ideas from the US and Britain, but side issue...
The US has also waged several major wars since WWII, and the Cold War is even referred to by the CIA as WWIII (WWIV, aka "the War on Terror", having already started a decade ago)... |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:02 am Post subject: |
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The U.S. military wreaks havoc?
You mean kind of like what the Japanese did during the 2nd WW?
You want to talk atrocity? The Japs brought it on a scale that staggers the imagination. *Out of 132,000 POWs, 36,000 died. By comparison, only 1% of POWs held by the Germans died. Japan murdered thousands of POWs on death marches, beaten, burned, stabbed, beheaded, shot, or eaten alive during ritual acts of cannibalism. Thousands died of starvation and easily preventable diseases. Out of the 6,500 prisoners at Borneo's Sandakan camp, only 6, all escapees, made it to September 1945 alive.
Untold more numbers of men were killed and never even made it to 'pow' status. This is 'wreaking havoc', the U.S. military has not 'wreaked havoc' in a very long time. Personally, after reading about some of the Japanese atrocities that were committed in the 2nd WW, I'd rather see American 'havoc' than Japanese 'havoc' any day of the week. For the first time in my life, I am happy that the United States is the world policeman, because now I realize how terrible it could have been if the allies had lost that war.
*Brian MacArthur, Surviving the Sword: Prisoners of the Japanese in the Far East |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
The U.S. military wreaks havoc?
You mean kind of like what the Japanese did during the 2nd WW?
You want to talk atrocity? The Japs brought it on a scale that staggers the imagination. *Out of 132,000 POWs, 36,000 died. By comparison, only 1% of POWs held by the Germans died. Japan murdered thousands of POWs on death marches, beaten, burned, stabbed, beheaded, shot, or eaten alive during ritual acts of cannibalism. Thousands died of starvation and easily preventable diseases. Out of the 6,500 prisoners at Borneo's Sandakan camp, only 6, all escapees, made it to September 1945 alive.
Untold more numbers of men were killed and never even made it to 'pow' status. This is 'wreaking havoc', the U.S. military has not 'wreaked havoc' in a very long time. Personally, after reading about some of the Japanese atrocities that were committed in the 2nd WW, I'd rather see American 'havoc' than Japanese 'havoc' any day of the week. For the first time in my life, I am happy that the United States is the world policeman, because now I realize how terrible it could have been if the allies had lost that war.
*Brian MacArthur, Surviving the Sword: Prisoners of the Japanese in the Far East |
And the US military dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (after fire bombing Tokyo and many other large cities) killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children... Deliberately and indiscriminately. The US government also forced completely innocent Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps for the duration of the war.
What the hell does Japan have to do with this discussion anyway? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| I really should've come up with a less trolly thread title... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I am kind of hurt now.
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| From Latin Cyrus < Ancient Greek Κῦρος (Kuros) < Old Persian (kuru�) |
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Axiom
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Really - it's pretty clear at this point (if it wasn't from the beginning) that the only reason the US is in that pit is for the MIC. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Those who believe in the sacredness and infallibility of the Koran adhere to the teaching that women are sub-human and quasi-slaves, and therefore Muslim men will look for relationships -- even sexual relationships -- with others of their own gender. |
I'm not sure how relevant the Koran is in a country with a literacy rate well under 50% (28% overall, 43% male). |
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