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Stout
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The Floating World
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Anyone with half a brain can work out that he was whacked by the more right wing leaning political crowd in America and they did an amazing double cover up with oswald, then Ruby....
He was too left leaning to stay around for too long.... |
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Stout
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you're from England, from where it's somewhat easier to get a clearer view of the situation.
You'd be surprised how many people there still are in the states with "half a brain".
From a states side view, it would seem that any country with half a brain would cease to see the need to keep a monarchy ensconced with public funds. |
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pedrotaves
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| paul is dead! |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
Well, you're from England, from where it's somewhat easier to get a clearer view of the situation.
You'd be surprised how many people there still are in the states with "half a brain".
From a states side view, it would seem that any country with half a brain would cease to see the need to keep a monarchy ensconced with public funds. |
All my American frinds agree with me and it has nothing to do with being pro or con American troll boy. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Well, you're from England, from where it's somewhat easier to get a clearer view of the situation.
You'd be surprised how many people there still are in the states with "half a brain".
From a states side view, it would seem that any country with half a brain would cease to see the need to keep a monarchy ensconced with public funds. |
All my American frinds agree with me and it has nothing to do with being pro or con American troll boy. |
Well, I'm glad your friends have a modicum of sense, no need to descend to name calling.
U came on with a very condescending attitude about a US issue, so I simply dealt it back to u on one regarding the UK, and u promptly blew a fuse. So enough of that dead weight and pointless stuff.
Back to the topic. With endless conjecture over the years of how and why the assassination was carried out, it finally seems to point very clearly and specifically to a contingent of people with ties to Texas, and the CIA.
If so, this has massive implications, as George W. Bush then comes into the picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation#Connections_with_the_CIA
Connections with the CIA- Various writers have suggested that Zapata Off-Shore, and Bush in particular, cooperated with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), beginning in the late 1950s.
[edit] FBI memos
Memo from FBI Special Agent Graham Kitchel in Texas, regarding call by "GHW Bush of Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company" received 75 minutes after JFK's murder
Memo from J. Edgar Hoover, referring to "Mr. George Bush of the CIA", briefed 24 hours after JFK's murderTwo Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) memoranda have been offered to show connections between the CIA and George H. W. Bush during his time at Zapata.
The first memo, written by FBI Special Agent Graham Kitchel on 22 November 1963, names Zapata Off-Shore regarding the John F. Kennedy assassination at 12:30 p.m. CST that day. It begins: "At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer. .. BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential. .. was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel."
A second FBI memorandum, written by J. Edgar Hoover, identifies "George Bush" with the CIA. It is dated 29 November 1963 and refers to a briefing given to Bush on 23 November. The FBI Director describes a briefing about JFK's murder "orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency. .. [by] this Bureau" on "December 20, 1963. When this second memorandum surfaced during the 1988 presidential campaign, Bush spokespersons (including Stephen Hart) said Hoover's memo referred to another George Bush who worked for the CIA.[7] CIA spokeswoman Sharron Basso suggested it was referring to a George William Bush. However, others described this G. William Bush as a "lowly researcher" and "coast and beach analyst" who worked only with documents and photos at the CIA in Virginia from September 1963 to February 1964, with a low rank of GS-5.[8][9][10] Moreover, this G. William Bush swore an affidavit in federal court denying that Hoover's memo referred to him:
I have carefully reviewed the FBI memorandum to the Director, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Department of State dated November 29, 1963 which mentions a Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency. ... I do not recognize the contents of the memorandum as information furnished to me orally or otherwise during the time I was at the CIA. In fact, during my time at the CIA, I did not receive any oral communications from any government agency of any nature whatsoever. I did not receive any information relating to the Kennedy assassination during my time at the CIA from the FBI. Based on the above, it is my conclusion that I am not the Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency referred to in the memorandum.(United States District Court for the District of Columbia, Civil Action 88-2600 GHR, Archives and Research Center v. Central Intelligence Agency, Affidavit of George William Bush, September 21, 1988.)
[edit] Allegations by former CIA staffUS Army Brigadier General Russell Bowen wrote that there was a cover-up of Zapata's CIA connections:
Bush, in fact, did work directly with the anti-Castro Cuban groups in Miami before and after the Bay of Pigs invasion [key point on account of the fact that the friction between JFK and the CIA in the aftermath of the Bay of Pigs is said to have led to his assassination], using his company, Zapata Oil, as a corporate cover for his activities on behalf of the agency. Records at the University of Miami, where the operations were based for several years, show George Bush was present during this time.[11]
Another writer quotes four former U.S. intelligence officials saying that Bush was involved with the CIA prior to the Bay of Pigs:
Robert T. Crowley and William Corson of the CIA:
Bush was officially considered a CIA business asset, according to Crowley and Corson. "George's insecurities were clay to someone like Dulles", William Corson said. To recruit young George Bush, Robert Crowley explained, Dulles convinced him that "he could contribute to his country as well as get help from the CIA for his overseas business activities."[12] [Bush] was, according to Corson, "perfect at talent spotting and looking at potential recruits for the CIA. You have to remember, we had real fears of Soviet activity in Mexico in the 1950s. Bush was one of many businessmen that would be reimbursed for hiring someone the CIA was interested in, or simply carrying a message."[13]
John Sherwood of the CIA:
Bush was at first a tiny part of OPERATION MONGOOSE, the CIA's code name for their anti-Castro operations. According to the late John Sherwood, "Bush was like hundreds of other businessmen who provided the nuts-and-bolts assistance such operations require... What they mainly helped us with was to give us a place to park people that was discreet."[14]
An anonymous official connected to "Operation Mongoose":
George Bush would be given a list of names of Cuban oil workers we would want placed in jobs... The oil platforms he dealt in were perfect for training the Cubans in raids on their homeland.[14]
John Loftus, in his book Secret War quotes former U.S. intelligence officials reporting the same story:
The Zapata-Permargo deal caught the eye of Allan Dulles, who the "old spies" report was the man who recruited Bush's oil company as a part time purchasing front for the CIA. Zapata provided commercial supplies for one of Dulles' most notorious operations: the Bay of Pigs Invasion. -- Chapter 16, p. 368
In 1960, Fabian Escalante was in the Department of State Security (G-2) in Cuba. At the time of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Escalante was head of a counter-intelligence unit, and was part of a team investigating a CIA operation called Sentinels of Liberty, an attempt to recruit Cubans willing to work against Castro. His information about Bush comes from a counterintelligence operation against Tracy Barnes of the CIA:
Tracy Barnes functioned as head of the Cuban Task Force. He called a meeting on January 18, 1960, in his office in Quarters Eyes, near the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, which the navy had lent while new buildings were being constructed in Langley. Those who gathered there included the eccentric Howard Hunt, future head of the Watergate team and a writer of crime novels; the egocentric Frank Bender, a friend of Trujillo; Jack Esterline, who had come straight from Venezuela where he directed a CIA group; psychological warfare expert David A. Phillips, and others. The team responsible for the plans to overthrow the government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954 was reconstituted, and in the minds of all its members this would be a rerun of the same plan. Barnes talked at length of the goals to be achieved. He explained that Vice-President Richard Nixon was the Cuban "case officer", and had assembled an important group of businessmen headed by George Bush [Snr.] and Jack Crichton, both Texas oilmen, to gather the necessary funds for [Operation 40]. Nixon was a protege of Bush's father [Prescott], who in 1946 had supported Nixon's bid for congress. In fact, [Prescott] Bush was the campaign strategist who brought Eisenhower and Nixon to the presidency of the United States. With such patrons, Barnes was certain that failure was impossible.[15]
So Bush, being an integral member of the Bay of Pigs fiasco on the CIA side of things, appears to have been in on the murder of JFK and its subsequent white-washing. |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| U came on with a very condescending attitude about a US issue, so I simply dealt it back to u on one regarding the UK, and u promptly blew a fuse. |
1. No I didn't, literally anyone with half a brain from anywhere in the world already has made those assumptions. My position is nowhere-centric, you're the one making ino tha sort of issue, thus me calling you a troll.
2. Exactly my point.
Christ. |
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Stout
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Well with Bush now in the picture along with LBJ and the CIA, the issue has now evolved to proportions beyond what the half-brainers have to say.
Any case, water under the bridge, sorry you got bent outta shape on that. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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For you to believe that JFK was set up for assassination, then you first have to believe in any one of the asinine conspiracy theorists. The key indicator that someone may believe in that nonsense is their serious use of the expressions "mainstream media," "official theory," or even "what we've been taught to believe."
In other words, this is just more BS from someone that hasn't a clue what evidence is. |
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Stout
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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For you to believe that JFK was set up for assassination, then you first have to believe in any one of the asinine conspiracy theorists. The key indicator that someone may believe in that nonsense is their serious use of the expressions "mainstream media," "official theory," or even "what we've been taught to believe."
In other words, this is just more BS from someone that hasn't a clue what evidence is. |
^^What I tell u, Floating World? The above is not an anomaly in the states, believe it or not.
@CentralCali- Have a look at the videos at the links. Do u regard the statements of CIA and FBI agents as asinine? U might also like to read the FBI and CIA memos regarding Bush's involvement. These are especially telling in light of the fact that before they were shared with the public, Bush categorically involved any involvement with the CIA at the time of JFK's murder. |
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CentralCali
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| ^^What I tell u, Floating World? The above is not an anomaly in the states, believe it or not. |
Is this supposed to be a veiled insult, Stout? Answer with a simple "yes" or "no".
And you are absolutely the last person on Earth I would trust to evaluation a news source, given your recent remarks concerning reports about North Korea. |
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Stout
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| ^^What I tell u, Floating World? The above is not an anomaly in the states, believe it or not. |
Is this supposed to be a veiled insult, Stout? Answer with a simple "yes" or "no".
And you are absolutely the last person on Earth I would trust to evaluation a news source, given your recent remarks concerning reports about North Korea. |
Don't get so emotional- "No".
I was simply replying to Floating's statment that anybody with "half a brain" (his words) knows JFK was assassinated. |
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Joe Boxer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
| ^^What I tell u, Floating World? The above is not an anomaly in the states, believe it or not. |
Is this supposed to be a veiled insult, Stout? Answer with a simple "yes" or "no".
And you are absolutely the last person on Earth I would trust to evaluation a news source, given your recent remarks concerning reports about North Korea. |
Don't get so emotional- "No".
I was simply replying to Floating's statment that anybody with "half a brain" (his words) knows JFK was assassinated. |
JFK had half a brain during the last moments of his presidency... did he know? |
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Stout
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
| ^^What I tell u, Floating World? The above is not an anomaly in the states, believe it or not. |
Is this supposed to be a veiled insult, Stout? Answer with a simple "yes" or "no".
And you are absolutely the last person on Earth I would trust to evaluation a news source, given your recent remarks concerning reports about North Korea. |
Don't get so emotional- "No".
I was simply replying to Floating's statment that anybody with "half a brain" (his words) knows JFK was assassinated. |
JFK had half a brain during the last moments of his presidency... did he know? |
^^ Ha ha, quite the classy comment...
Anyway, as I was in a hurry earlier, revise the above bolded comment to,
@CentralCali
[It was simplying replying to Floatings's statement that anybody with "half a brain" (his words) knows that JFK was assassinated by certain right-wing elements in the the US, and that they did a huge cover-up by using Oswald and Ruby as alibis.] |
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comm
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Boxer wrote: |
| JFK had half a brain during the last moments of his presidency... did he know? |
Classic. Also, the answer is probably yes.
If the majority of Americans had "half a brain", there wouldn't be liberals who still support Obama nor conservatives who support Gingrich (since those candidates have nothing to do with voters' self-avowed philosophies). |
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