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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Compared to other countries, they have very few hobbies and interests. Surely you've asked your students what their hobbies are? The only answers I ever get are sleeping, gaming and maybe music or movies. Some of the lads might say soccer. |
I salute your time and dedication to interviewing the majority of Koreans here (and the people in other countries) so that you can make this claim that they have few hobbies and interests comparatively.
http://www.seoulcityblog.com/2010/04/16/cultural-centers-clubs-and-courses-for-hobbies/
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A quick search found many clubs with the following hobbies:
Sports: Yoga, tennis, soccer, taekwondo, swim, scuba diving, golf
Music: Violin, piano, Gayaguem,
Art: Korean brush painting, Korean Folk painting, oil painting (Seoul Art museum)
Dance: Sala, swing, tango, hip hop, belly dance, ballet
Miscellaneous: Flower arrangement, Ceramics, Art of pearling, Fashion Design, Tailoring, Cooking (Indian, Spanish, Thai cuisine) Driving, Makeup, Computer |
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So essentially, you're saying we can discuss virtually nothing about the nature of a society in which we live (virtually always involving general statements) unless we commission international scientific surveys on the most unimportant of topics e.g. this topic. |
You can discuss anything you please. However if you choose to include factually inaccurate commentary in the discussion be prepared to have it pointed out. |
The list you provided of places where hobbies take place in no way shows how popular those hobbies are or what percentage of people take up those hobbies. I'm talking about the hundreds of students I've asked this question and the fact that it's something to write home about when one of those students happens to have a hobby other than sleeping or eating. There are always a few that have hobbies, but they are always a few in the students I've asked.
You 'fact checked' a statement that I didn't make: 'Koreans do not have hobbies/hobbies don't exist in Korea' - I didn't say this. What I said was few people have hobbies here, and that's from a sample of hundreds of my students, admittedly though I have not put that data together, so its an observation over a number of years.
You have yet to find any evidence that my observation was incorrect.
I'm becoming more and more tempted to survey my students on this next semester and stick the data up here... |
You said "Few people have hobbies here." I pointed out that many clubs with close to 30 hobbies to choose from is hardly a "few people"...and that's just in ONE city.
I also pointed out that your students do not represent the be and end all of Korea. Not even 1% of the population. Not even 1% of the student population.
So right there are two pieces of evidence that your observation was flawed and thus incorrect.
http://lei.snu.ac.kr/site/click-korean/I_KOR_06/html/KOR06_sum.html
Even as far back as 2004 hobbies seem important and prevalent enough to be listed in this brief survey and as we see people tend to spend more time on them than socializing with friends and family. |
OK mate. I would think 20 something Koreans would be the most active sample out of any if you ask me, but who knows? I'm only saying it how I've seen it.
I'll change my statement then. How about this: Out of the hundreds of students I've taught and surveyed, I've noticed that few have hobbies other than sleeping and eating. |
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detonate
Joined: 16 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Is it worse to troll or to point out how many trolls are present, thus potentially derailing troll thread?  |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I' sorry but I am with Kimchifart. I teach university students exclusively and although those clubs you mentioned DO EXIST they are attened by a small minority of the population in my opinion. The vast majority of Koreans have hobbies that consist of sleeping, eating and playing computer games as Kimchifart said.
That is unless all my students were lying to me. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:58 am Post subject: |
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"Proper New Year"? Condescend much OP? Good grief....
By the way OP: Christmas is NOT a local holiday so why would YOU get time off for it in KOREA?
Do you think my Korean wife gets Chusok and Lunar New Year off here in Canada?
As for this thread its a clear troll but its one of those so incredibly dumb and ignorant trolls that it deserved some responses. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Korea could use some extra holiday time. That, and stop taking leisure activities (playing computer games especially) and making them competitive. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Korea could use some extra holiday time. That, and stop taking leisure activities (playing computer games especially) and making them competitive. |
So who wants to invest in my PCBang-Hof joint? It's the wave of the future. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Korea could use some extra holiday time. That, and stop taking leisure activities (playing computer games especially) and making them competitive. |
So who wants to invest in my PCBang-Hof joint? It's the wave of the future. |
If you throw in a foos-ball table with ranking championship matches I'm down  |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| Korea could use some extra holiday time. That, and stop taking leisure activities (playing computer games especially) and making them competitive. |
I'm convinced Koreans are incapable of doing this. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I do hang around some very competitive Korea's. But then they are mostly the older generation. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchifart wrote: |
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Reading TUM's post, I just realized that Kimchifart was probably referring to asking kids about their hobbies. Yeah, that's a real hit. I could imagine my response when I was 10.
Q: What are your hobbies?
A: Playing Nintendo! And riding my bike.
Not to mention how artificial the question is. When does a person walk up to a fellow native speaker and say, "What are your hobbies?" |
They were young adults in university. And I've asked every single one of my students over three years, coming up to a 1000 people. I've rarely seen anything other than sleeping, eating, listening to music or movies. The most popular by far being sleeping.
Actually I'm thinking of getting some data on this next semester if I can be bothered I'll post it here. Maybe I could give all my students a piece of paper and ask them for three hobbies. See what comes up. Even if it disproves my point I'll post it. |
I stand corrected! Shame on me for making assumptions about your job.
While I do lean towards agreeing with you on the hobby issue, I still stand by my point that it's a very unnatural question, the kind that would belong more on a formal survey rather than an informal Q&A session. If you were formally surveying the students, fair enough.
My personal suspicion about the popularity of sleeping is that people here don't get enough sleep during the week, and then spend a significant chunk of the weekend lazing about and napping all day. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe the meaning of hobby has changed over the years but when I was growing up it meant something you did as a kind of special interest and not the same things everyone else does like watching movies or meeting friends. That's why I don't like the question, 'what is your hobby?' and prefer, either, 'what do you do in your free time? or 'Have you got a hobby?' If Sts respond to 'what do you do in your free time with 'sleeping' I get them to say something else as it's just a cop out and not as amusing as some of them seem to think it is. |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| As for this thread its a clear troll but its one of those so incredibly dumb and ignorant trolls that it deserved some responses. |
Hey, thanks. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
I' sorry but I am with Kimchifart. I teach university students exclusively and although those clubs you mentioned DO EXIST they are attened by a small minority of the population in my opinion. The vast majority of Koreans have hobbies that consist of sleeping, eating and playing computer games as Kimchifart said.
That is unless all my students were lying to me. |
Wait you mean a bunch of college students, instead of hanging out in photography club or in their dorm woodcarving, they spend their time sleeping, studying, eating, drinking, socializing, and trying to get laid?
That's a shocker! |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Why Are Korean Holidays So Short? (i.e. They suck!) |
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| FDNY wrote: |
Recent holidays in Korea:
Christmas: 0 days
Proper New Year: 0 days
Lunar New Year: 2 days
Children's Day(coming up): 0 days
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OP - sucks to be you!
When I was living/working in Korea for 6 yrs I enjoyed MASSIVE vacations. If you don't like your holidays, quit whining about it on message boards and get yourself a job that gives you the vacation you want / deserve.
I'm in Malaysia now, and there are public holidays / school holidays all the time!
It's your life OP - you can choose where you will or won't work, and if vacations are such a big deal for you what the hell are you doing in a crappy job that makes you work 240 days a year? It's your choice! |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why Are Korean Holidays So Short? (i.e. They suck!) |
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| jinks wrote: |
I'm in Malaysia now, and there are public holidays / school holidays all the time!
It's your life OP - you can choose where you will or won't work, and if vacations are such a big deal for you what the hell are you doing in a crappy job that makes you work 240 days a year? It's your choice! |
How many days a year are you working in Malaysia and how is the pay there? |
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