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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of? |
Dude, I said people mostly date people of the same ethnic or racial group. It's not that hard. Just look around you when you travel around our big world. Interracial marriages are still not very common in North America. They're common enough, but that's only something rather recent. I didn't see that many interracial marriages in 1990.
In the Pittsburgh area, they've been increasing a lot, but that's something recent. |
You said white girls only date white girls. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of? |
Dude, I said people mostly date people of the same ethnic or racial group. It's not that hard. Just look around you when you travel around our big world. Interracial marriages are still not very common in North America. They're common enough, but that's only something rather recent. I didn't see that many interracial marriages in 1990.
In the Pittsburgh area, they've been increasing a lot, but that's something recent. |
You said white girls only date white girls. |
Can I watch? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of? |
Dude, I said people mostly date people of the same ethnic or racial group. It's not that hard. Just look around you when you travel around our big world. Interracial marriages are still not very common in North America. They're common enough, but that's only something rather recent. I didn't see that many interracial marriages in 1990.
In the Pittsburgh area, they've been increasing a lot, but that's something recent. |
You said white girls only date white girls. |
Yes, more white girls are dating white girls because of people like you. Just kidding. No, I wasn't thinking of a lesbian scene. At least, I don't think I was.
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem with using the LA riots as an example is the fact that Koreans were either targeted because they had been racist toward black people or simply caught in the middle of a local dispute. It wasn't immigrants against locals, it was locals who had a long history of extremely poor treatment at the hands of a bigoted majority that were acting out against authority and by extension a local immigrant minority group which happened to also be racist against them. |
I agree. I was there. |
I disagree with how you put this together. It almost seems like you're justifying the attacks against Koreans. Even if some Koreans were racist, destroying someone's property and assaulting them is a crime. Being racist is wrong, but it's not illegal. Also, I lived all the way in Texas and my sister's tires were slashed. What did we have to do with LA? We don't anything to anyone.
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I didn't say it was a proven fact that Koreans were racist and so targeted by black people in LA. Nor am I saying it was correct. I'm saying it was part of the circumstance. To deny that Koreans can be terribly racist towards black people and that black people resent that would be foolish. So while it was not moral for rioters to target Korean shops the way they did, it is either karma or geographical placement of Korean shops in black neighborhoods where the riots occurred that lead to the situation. Likely both. And since black people in the US are hardly immigrants, but rather have a long and troubled history in the US starting with slavery they can hardly be used as a comparison for what may or may not happen here. Since Koreans seem to fear riots started by immigrants but not by Koreans against immigrants.
The LA riots merely demonstrate that having slavery and an incredibly racist past along with present day economic inequality is a bad thing. It also demonstrates that immigrants may be caught in the middle of local affairs and might even make targets of themselves by bringing their own racism into another nation.
As Korea already has pretty strict immigration policies and a very small immigrant population compared with other nations, it isn't likely that immigrants will create any riots, at least nothing compared to the Korean riots against foreign things that already exist. If anything the continued exclusion of immigrants who are already here and Korean racism towards them will tend to foster deep resentment in the immigrant population (as small as it is) creating enclaves of immigrants, or at least re-enforce this tendency. I sense the greatest troubles to come from Koreans and not immigrants. If Koreans could nip that in the bud, I think the future of immigrants in Korea would be far rosier. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| v88 wrote: |
| If anything the continued exclusion of immigrants who are already here and Korean racism towards them will tend to foster deep resentment in the immigrant population (as small as it is) creating enclaves of immigrants, or at least re-enforce this tendency. I sense the greatest troubles to come from Koreans and not immigrants. If Koreans could nip that in the bud, I think the future of immigrants in Korea would be far rosier. |
I don't really see that much more immigration into Korea.
The gender imbalance is resolving steadily, if anything there is a growing preference for girls. A lot of isolated foreign (but asian) wives does not make for a future riot risk.
The flow of temporary foreign workers will dry up as Korea has already mostly built all the infrastructure projects it needs.
The English teacher influx is coming to an end.
Even given a shrinking population, they can get away without importing foreigners. Japan is managing it and they are projected to shrink 30% in the next 50 years. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Also scared of bugs, germs, dogs, cats, fish, and the water, but strangely not heights, nor flying through a windscreen in a traffic accident. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean"). |
I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side. |
yeah and I know to many Korean girls are going behind their boy friends back too, their foreign boyfriend!
most Korean girls who date a foreigner are usually dating a Korean at the same time.
korean guy is to secure the future, show the parents etc..
the foreigner is for fun!
when foreigners get those text messages, from their girl friends
"sorry I am busy tonight I have an appointment" yeah she is meeting OPPA or probably someone else.
not all, but many. |
Most Korean girls who date a foreigner are dating a Korean on the side??? Where do you get this statistic?
And the Korean guy she's seeing on the side is just oblivious to the whole thing?
I would say SOME Korean girls do this. Most Korean girls do not. |
I would say most as well. I don't have any stats but basing it on what I know and see. If its not most its a significant enough percentage where its not a surprise at all.
Plenty of guys don't know this. They think they are in a committed one on one relationship and a lot of them aren't.
I stopped asking if they have a bf fairly early on when I noticed how the vast majority were willing to date and had a korean bf or some k guy who they were dating or was in some form of a relationship. Not always phsyical but the other guy thought he was exclusive. Every guy I know who's dated a lot of Korean girls has said the same.
Others may have different experiences but my guess is that they just don't know and their egos won't let them register the possibility because after all "I'm a white english speaking person' no way she will date someone else 
With regards to the foreigner thing as I said in a previous post. The attitudes towards foreigners in terms of favorable and not are 1. Generational. Young people far, far more open to foreigners and 2. The type of foreigner. Genrally speaking European/North American/often white foreigners are seen and thought of differently than everyone else. Genreally SE Asian are the most prevalent and they are not liked nearly as much as westerners. If you're an American of SE Asian descent for example you're seen as different than a native SE Asian. The former speaks english and is culturally different. Same with a black american and a native african. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean"). |
I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side. |
And I've known "all too many" Korean guys tell Korean girls exactly that. The problem is it's nowhere near as common as you'd like to think.
But the stereotype works in your favor so I can't blame you for pushing it. However, most of us are just regular guys trying to get by.
I don't doubt that some locals actually believe the stereotypes about foreign guys (or have heard actual stories - true or not), but a lot of that tribalist thinking stems from a general fear and distrust of outsiders.
Anyway, it's the pot calling the kettle black. 
I've known "all to many" Koreans who do the same things, eve | | |
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