|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
jaj
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
|
 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:20 am Post subject: |
 |
|
Thank God for "racial guilt complexes."
When I'm not in the United States, especially in my present abode, I overhear and see things that only Nazis could embrace.
Anyway, non-white immigrants to the US who believe they can be socially successful by using tactics that are not racist back home but are considered racist in the United States are politically and socially aligning themselves with the same racism that they constantly complain about -- if I hear another Korean student lament the discrimination white people subjected them to outside of Korea!
When you play with fire, don't complain about getting burned. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Can't really blame the Korean guy for that |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Finally, it's rather amusing that you go on about different minorities supporting their various tribes while making it quite obvious that you have a real preference for the tribe to which you belong. |
Actually, I don't particularly, I just don't like hypocrisy. So, while its ok, and indeed expected, that blacks will campaign for black interests, Latinos for Latino interests, and Asians for Asian interests, the moment that whites start acting in the same way they are immediately labeled with the 'r word.' |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| I overhear and see things that only Nazis could embrace |
Sounds like hyperbole to me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jaj wrote: |
Anyway, non-white immigrants to the US who believe they can be socially successful by using tactics that are not racist back home but are considered racist in the United States are politically and socially aligning themselves with the same racism that they constantly complain about -- if I hear another Korean student lament the discrimination white people subjected them to outside of Korea!
|
Uhm, what exactly have your students done that is associated with the racism you experience here? How are your students responsible for the racism of other Koreans, just as how are you responsible for the racism of other people back home?
Sounds like both of you got an "And now you know" moment.
On a lighter note, anyone else picturing Clayton Bigsby screaming "I can't understand you...Go back to your country! White Power! (thunk)" when they read the title?
Ironiinc even further becaue Chappelle's wife is of Korean descent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Steelrails wrote: |
Ironiinc even further becaue Chappelle's wife is of Korean descent. |
Wrong. She is Asian but not Korean. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Maybe the black guy was offended because he wasn't from Africa, but was Australian Aboriginal.
In that case, the Korean guy should've said "Go back to Australia". |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| bigverne wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Finally, it's rather amusing that you go on about different minorities supporting their various tribes while making it quite obvious that you have a real preference for the tribe to which you belong. |
Actually, I don't particularly, I just don't like hypocrisy. So, while its ok, and indeed expected, that blacks will campaign for black interests, Latinos for Latino interests, and Asians for Asian interests, the moment that whites start acting in the same way they are immediately labeled with the 'r word.' |
That's where you're wrong. Blacks, gays, latinos, Asians etc. have not campaigned for their own self interest but to be treated the same as everyone else be it housing, employment, education disriminatin, etc. Are there exceptions? Sure. There are always fringe groups that go beyond just equality. However, black civil rights activists, gay marriage advocates, the women's movement in the '70s, and the like simply asked to have the same rights and priveleges as everyone else. That's not 'black (insert the group here _____) interests' thats HUMAN interests.
You and Udo (who I really should have directed my post to but remembered you from another thread with a similar theme) have got it backwards. MLK talked about ALL people being brothers.
So, when the Irish, Italian, Jews and other whites compalained about similar discrimination (and rightfully so) decades ago against their kind , it was okay because they were white right? But if a black or latino does it, its acting in their own self interest? When its white dominated groups like trade unions in the past, Occupy Wall Street today, ec. its different somewhow. They are all asking for fairness. But somehow if a black group asks for fairness its their own self interest. That's why you and Udo are racist. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| But somehow if a black group asks for fairness its their own self interest |
I guess you have a very loose definition of the word fairness. It is in black people's interest to support affirmation action, for example, but it is certainly not in white people's interest, nor is it anything to do with fairness. Similarly, I would argue that organizations like La Raza or the NAACP are not concerned with equality, but rather the interests of their respective ethnic group, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But let's not pretend its got anything to do with fairness or fighting discrimination. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Enrico Palazzo
Mod Team
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Try to discuss this as respectfully as possible and keep in mind you're discussing people. Try not to say all Korean or black people are this or that. You should qualify what you're saying and not overgeneralize. If you won't follow that, and we get reports, this will be locked. I understand it's important to have an open discussion about things, but when someone says black or Jewish people have problems everywhere or Koreans don't understand racism, that's a very gross generalization and ignores the racism people experience. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Slightly unrelated, but I'm suddenly stricken with the strangeness that in the U.S. we identify people as "White" or "African-American" (for example) but why not "European-American" and "African-American"?
Anyway, I think bigverne may be (or should be) pointing out the hypocrisy of the two groups involved in the conflict describe in the article.
Each group seems to think it's OK for a person of their race to make a racist comment, but unacceptable for someone of another race to make an identical racist comment. Far more important than two idiots arguing in a gas station is the hypocrisy of the groups who are apparently taking sides. Oh, and they're taking sides based on the races of the individuals involved? Isn't this the real story? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Oh, and they're taking sides based on the races of the individuals involved? Isn't this the real story? |
This what I alluded to when I said that the black community was coming out to support a member of their 'tribe.' And this is the fundamental problem with multicultural/multiethnic societies: a childish argument in a gas station between two individuals spirals into a potentially dangerous standoff between two ethnic groups. Expect much more of this in the years to come. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| bigverne wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Oh, and they're taking sides based on the races of the individuals involved? Isn't this the real story? |
This what I alluded to when I said that the black community was coming out to support a member of their 'tribe.' And this is the fundamental problem with multicultural/multiethnic societies: a childish argument in a gas station between two individuals spirals into a potentially dangerous standoff between two ethnic groups. Expect much more of this in the years to come. |
He's right and to be fair, his ''tribe" comment has been taken out of context. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
|
| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| bigverne wrote: |
| Quote: |
| But somehow if a black group asks for fairness its their own self interest |
I guess you have a very loose definition of the word fairness. It is in black people's interest to support affirmation action, for example, but it is certainly not in white people's interest, nor is it anything to do with fairness. Similarly, I would argue that organizations like La Raza or the NAACP are not concerned with equality, but rather the interests of their respective ethnic group, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But let's not pretend its got anything to do with fairness or fighting discrimination. |
Affirmative action, whether one agrees with it or not, wasn't supported by Blacks to to get more than everyone else but deemed to make things fairer. I'm not saying it is. But when it came into effect there was proven discrimination in hiring, admissions, etc. This was the early '70s and yuo still had people in decision making capacity that that had the prejudices and views of minorities from their youth in the '50s. I'm not saying AA was right but the people supporting believed they were supporting something to make things fair. They may or may not be right about it but you're alleging its supported knowing it isn't fair and that is not so.
What percentage of blacks belong to the NAACP? Or how many Latinos belong to La Raza? The numbers of the NAACP have been dwindling. The NAACP like many other organizations of that nature are tryiing to stay relevant in a world that is becoming closer. Its creation a century ago or so was necessary though. What happened to the women's movement groups of the '70s? You're applying a group to a whole people. One could say the same about Aryan Nation. Eventually I believe many of these organizations will die out because they are no longer needed like the organizations that supported Italians and the Irish when they faced discrimination.
Also, how many companies and lobbyists spend money in Washington for special treatment for their group? Doesn't make it right, but it makes it a reality.
You yourself said you don't expect all Blacks to think the same. Then why apply the NAACP to all blacks? Or even most when the overwhelming majority don't even deem it an organization to join. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
|
| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Don't lump all whites in the same boat either. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
