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Winterkalte
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I think this whole thing about Kpop being popular outside of Korea is being blown out of proportion. Especially in the Korean media. My students have this warped sense of how well Kpop is accepted in the world. They think GG is selling more albums than Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber. It's made them very cocky too. They constantly bring up that story about the British girl that had surgery on her tongue so she could learn Hangul. They attribute that to Kpop and think westerners everywhere are doing this because of Kpop. It's also cranked the Korean nationalism up to 11. Some students asked me if I like the 'Boys' single. I happen to really like GG, but don't care for their new song. When I said 'No', they replied 'If you hate Korea so much, why don't you go back home'. If westerners like or dislike GG, it's because of the quality of the music, not because they're Korean. These people obviously can't separate Kpop's success and national identity.
This article sums it up nicely: http://www.cnngo.com/seoul/life/tell-me-about-it/k-pop-taking-over-world-dont-make-me-laugh--476482 |
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Sister Ray
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Wow. Did you read the comments left on the article you linked?
I thought youtube.com had the most asinine user comments on the internet. Lo, a new contender has emerged. |
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jpe
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, SK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:39 am Post subject: |
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From Wikipedia:
"According to Tiffany: "I feel like we eat at least 3,000 kcal a day. Our manager told us, �The amount of money SNSD spends on food is much greater than the amount Super Junior spends on their meals." |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure they did their best as they had a lot riding on the performance, but, as a fan of KPop, I basically couldn't get into it and was almost embarrased for them. They're almost like a circus sideshow.
KPop will never fly in America with it's diversified listening public. It's all cutesy vocals with bubblegum beats and dance moves.
Listening to the Wonder Grls sing the U.S. national anthem last year made me cringe as well. |
Yeah thats right...
Groups likes the backtreet boys, new kids on the block bombed, never made it with cutsie boy band looks and lame lyrics with dance moves! 
Britney Spears she bombed too, never made it in the US.
I fact the US IS a diversified market that consumes it all, including lame cheesy bubblegum pop with cheap dance moves.....
As for the Generation Girls, no idea how they will do. I predict limited success based on what I heard of their music.
They do however seem to be doing rather well in Asia which should be their main market target. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I still think SM or Korean producers have a better chance if they just
bring their franchise model(which they ripped off) to the states, recruit 5 pretty AMerican girls, dress them up and market the hell out of them all over the media, give them some catchy tunes and then go for gold..
but the girls need to be white or black, or mixed.. sorry that's just the way it is.. they gots to be Americans.. it's the only way really.. IMO for a real shot at success. |
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rhizome
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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And now, for your entertainment and edification, I present
Over 16,000 YouTube Comments in 2 days, condensed into 12:
A Wild Troll appears: America is just white people that only appreciate good artists like Milli Vanilli, Mozart and Miley Cyrus! This group is coached and lipsynching! Korea is gay plastic! Go home!
Mitchin �sone� Fan: YOU DON'T KNOW IGNORANT AMERICAN CHINA JAPANESE. KILL YOUSELF! GO SUNNY!
Random White Inbred Racist: Yeah SONE! You tell them! Asian people suck! Blacks too!
lol: HAHA geriatric boner
Random Browser1: Decent. I like.
Random Browser2: I don't dig this song.
Random Browser3: The racism in these comments is really disturbing....
Random Browser4: Bill Murray is really old?
<3<3: SooYoung... oh my...
Actual fan: Great job girls! I'm really proud right now. Can't wait to see them in >name of country here< Fighting!
Beiberlvvr007: my new ringtone! call an emergency! i'm watching the phone ring! i'm feeling this in my heaaaart!
Everyone Else: o_O? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
I still think SM or Korean producers have a better chance if they just
bring their franchise model(which they ripped off) to the states, recruit 5 pretty AMerican girls, dress them up and market the hell out of them all over the media, give them some catchy tunes and then go for gold..
but the girls need to be white or black, or mixed.. sorry that's just the way it is.. they gots to be Americans.. it's the only way really.. IMO for a real shot at success. |
I agree.
KPop should stick to KPop and let people come to it. That's what makes it attractive. Korean lyrics, Korean members.
Franchise it out to an American assembled group. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
I still think SM or Korean producers have a better chance if they just
bring their franchise model(which they ripped off) to the states, recruit 5 pretty AMerican girls, dress them up and market the hell out of them all over the media, give them some catchy tunes and then go for gold..
but the girls need to be white or black, or mixed.. sorry that's just the way it is.. they gots to be Americans.. it's the only way really.. IMO for a real shot at success. |
I agree.
KPop should stick to KPop and let people come to it. That's what makes it attractive. Korean lyrics, Korean members.
Franchise it out to an American assembled group. |
You don't get why they put English lyrics in K-pop do you? A huge part of it is to make the singers appear more international in the eyes of the local fans. So, you can imagine that releasing an album of English songs in the US is the ultimate sign of success, regardless of whether it bombs or not. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps a better indicator of how they are likely to fare: the autograph signing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwg1cJ7nYP8&feature=related
They're all looking down like they just want to get out of there. No rapport with the fans, too aloof. They have that very korean standoffishness towards outsiders.
Its gonna take more than immaculate choreographed dance routines. They will need to make a genuine connection with foreign people.
There is very little in the korean upbringing or attitude that could have prepared them for such a thing. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Perhaps a better indicator of how they are likely to fare: the autograph signing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwg1cJ7nYP8&feature=related
They're all looking down like they just want to get out of there. No rapport with the fans, too aloof. They have that very korean standoffishness towards outsiders.
Its gonna take more than immaculate choreographed dance routines. They will need to make a genuine connection with foreign people.
There is very little in the korean upbringing or attitude that could have prepared them for such a thing. |
There's so much personality and ego injected into US pop stars that they're in many cases a living brand.
Take Kanye West for example. How many adjectives can you think of off the top your head that describe him? Cocky, snarky, fashionable, talented, egocentric...
Now take any major Korean pop star...say IU off the stage and give me ONE adjective BESIDES "cute" to describe her.
On stage the Kpop stars are impressive, but off script they just fall totally flat. |
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I think they chose a bad song to go international with. The boys is probably the least catchy of Gee, Oh, and even Mr.Taxi (which I hate).
Kind of reminds me of the mistake they made with trying to make BOA an "international hit". har har har.
I love kpop and all but they really don't understand the US market.... Not that anyone really understands the US music market when you have Justin Beiber front lining but honestly, korean pop cannot take off without a REAL catchy song to reel people in. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| They also don't seem to get what a scantily clad asian girl gyrating to music means in the US |
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definitely maybe
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
| They also don't seem to get what a scantily clad asian girl gyrating to music means in the US |
A party at Stanford? I don't get it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
I still think SM or Korean producers have a better chance if they just
bring their franchise model(which they ripped off) to the states, recruit 5 pretty AMerican girls, dress them up and market the hell out of them all over the media, give them some catchy tunes and then go for gold..
but the girls need to be white or black, or mixed.. sorry that's just the way it is.. they gots to be Americans.. it's the only way really.. IMO for a real shot at success. |
I agree.
KPop should stick to KPop and let people come to it. That's what makes it attractive. Korean lyrics, Korean members.
Franchise it out to an American assembled group. |
You don't get why they put English lyrics in K-pop do you? A huge part of it is to make the singers appear more international in the eyes of the local fans. So, you can imagine that releasing an album of English songs in the US is the ultimate sign of success, regardless of whether it bombs or not. |
No, I get it.
What I'm saying is you can put that bit of English in, but what's appealing about KPop to people overseas is that it is something different and foreign. So yes, put a bit of English in it, but keep it Korean.
Picture Tejano music. I listen to it precisely because it is in Spanish and I can only understand about 10% of it, and the music is pretty cheesy, but there is something...just something...so....Mexican about it that it becomes enjoyable. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I thiught the girls perfprmed well. i was impressed. and a few of them looked mad sexy.
Will this translate into huge success in America? No but they pronably gained a few fans. |
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