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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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Video cameras do no harm if you're not doing anything illegal. Simple as.
Gitmo, the bush dynasty stealing the presidency, haliburton, montesanto feed giving you cancerous meat, fox, sopa, Big corporations owning the polititians, coke and snickers vending machines in school, congressional control of the internet - these things are BAD, mmkay...?
Hey when my closest American friends stop tellign ME that America is a fascist state and they are upset beyond words about what it has become, maybe then I'll listen (I wont, as my head is not in the sand and I read the news.)
Britain has many things wrong with it, but fascism, get out of here, too much liberalism is the cause of most of our problems. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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While I agree with a lot of the negatives you listed about America (but disagree about many of them being unique to America), this little defensive gem here...
| The Floating World wrote: |
Video cameras do no harm if you're not doing anything illegal. Simple as.
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Wow, now there's some brainwashing. How about video cameras inside your apartment, then? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
While I agree with a lot of the negatives you listed about America (but disagree about many of them being unique to America), this little defensive gem here...
| The Floating World wrote: |
Video cameras do no harm if you're not doing anything illegal. Simple as.
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Wow, now there's some brainwashing. How about video cameras inside your apartment, then? |
We don't have video cameras in our apartments, that would be absurd.
I'm not being defensive, weird you'd phrase it like that. I used to be anti the cameras in sociology class, but in all honesty, if you're going about daily life doing nothing illegal, what do you have to be worried about? Imo they serve both as a detterent and they help catch criminals perpetrating street crime etc. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
While I agree with a lot of the negatives you listed about America (but disagree about many of them being unique to America), this little defensive gem here...
| The Floating World wrote: |
Video cameras do no harm if you're not doing anything illegal. Simple as.
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Wow, now there's some brainwashing. How about video cameras inside your apartment, then? |
We don't have video cameras in our apartments, that would be absurd.
I'm not being defensive, weird you'd phrase it like that. I used to be anti the cameras in sociology class, but in all honesty, if you're going about daily life doing nothing illegal, what do you have to be worried about? Imo they serve both as a detterent and they help catch criminals perpetrating street crime etc. |
Only probelem is, from there it's an easy step to setting up other new rules, which taken together over time have the potential to add up to a lot...cameras also can be used to thwart legal gatherings |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
While I agree with a lot of the negatives you listed about America (but disagree about many of them being unique to America), this little defensive gem here...
| The Floating World wrote: |
Video cameras do no harm if you're not doing anything illegal. Simple as.
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Wow, now there's some brainwashing. How about video cameras inside your apartment, then? |
We don't have video cameras in our apartments, that would be absurd.
I'm not being defensive, weird you'd phrase it like that. I used to be anti the cameras in sociology class, but in all honesty, if you're going about daily life doing nothing illegal, what do you have to be worried about? Imo they serve both as a detterent and they help catch criminals perpetrating street crime etc. |
Only probelem is, from there it's an easy step to setting up other new rules, which taken together over time have the potential to add up to a lot...cameras also can be used to thwart legal gatherings |
First point is hypothetical and goes for almost anything.
second point - evidence is needed if you're to make such claims please. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Big corporations owning the polititians |
Is this not a problem in every country?
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Is this a relevant element to the definition of fascism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.[3][4] Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[5] Fascism promotes political violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[3][6] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violence against opponents or to overthrow a political system.[7] Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism�communism and social democracy.[8] Fascism claims to represent a synthesis of cohesive ideas previously divided between traditional political ideologies.[9] To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[10]
The fascist party is a vanguard party designed to initiate a revolution from above and to organize the nation upon fascist principles.[11] The fascist party and state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the party, the government and other state institutions.[12] Fascists reject the conventional form of democracy�majoritarian democracy that assumes human equality, and instead claim that fascism represents an organized and centralized authoritarian democracy.[13] This fascist form of democracy advocates the rule of the most qualified, rather than rule by a majority of numbers.[14] Fascists reject majoritarian democracies as being based on quantitative and egalitarian evaluation of individuals and their opinions rather than on qualities.[15]
Fascism supports a socially united collective national society and opposes socially divided class-based societies and socially-divided individualist-based societies.[16] Fascists claim it is a trans-class movement, advocating resolution to domestic class conflict within a nation to secure national solidarity.[17] While fascism opposes domestic class conflict, it favours a proletarian national culture and claims that its goal of nationalizing society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into proletarian national culture.[18] It opposes contemporary bourgeois class-based society and culture for allegedly being based on selfish and hedonistic individualism that results in plutocracy and war profiteering at the expense of the nation.[19] Fascism claims that bourgeois-proletarian conflict primarily exists in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations; fascism declares support for the victory of proletarian nations.[20]
Fascists advocate: a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state; the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient; and autarky. It supports criminalization of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers because it deems these acts as prejudicial to the national community.[21]
There is a running dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[22][23][24][25] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[26][27] Benito Mussolini in 1919 described fascism as a syncretic movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".[28][29] Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."[30][31] They also, however, officially declared that although they were "sitting on the right" they were generally indifferent to their position on the left-right spectrum, as being a conclusion of their combination of views rather than an objective, and considering it insignificant to the basis of their views, which they claimed could just as easily be associated with "the mountain of the center" as with the right.[32] |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:24 am Post subject: |
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+1
When given the chance to explain their tweets the best they could come up with was "Well, we didn't mean to literally destroy America...we actually meant that we were going to drink A LOT and cause trouble for the locals". OF COURSE they were denied entry - what did they THINK was going to happen?
This stuff has been going on for as long as can remember - long before September 11th and the Patriot Act. When you are entering the States, it's "Yes, sir. No, sir" and you're on your way. I've seen buses carrying entire hockey teams turned around at the border because of one smartass...
Some other notes:
They were dobbed in by someone who saw the tweets, not by US gov't data mining (according to the article).
The article didn't say WHO locked the guy's twitter account - it may have been the account holder himself trying to lie low for awhile. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| They got deported for being idiots. |
+1
When given the chance to explain their tweets the best they could come up with was "Well, we didn't mean to literally destroy America...we actually meant that we were going to drink A LOT and cause trouble for the locals". OF COURSE they were denied entry - what did they THINK was going to happen?
This stuff has been going on for as long as can remember - long before September 11th and the Patriot Act. When you are entering the States, it's "Yes, sir. No, sir" and you're on your way. I've seen buses carrying entire hockey teams turned around at the border because of one smartass...
Some other notes:
They were dobbed in by someone who saw the tweets, not by US gov't data mining (according to the article).
The article didn't say WHO locked the guy's twitter account - it may have been the account holder himself trying to lie low for awhile. |
I only partly agree with your statement. True, acting like a douche will do you no favours and will likely have you on the next plane home. But, on the flipside respect is a two-way street and if you treat people like cattle barking orders at them with a gun/badge/uniform to back you up don't be surprised when you occasionally get some abrasion thrown back in your face.
I still remember walking alongside my brother, barely out of my teens, at SF Airport only to have some power-hungry tool with an rifle cocked yelling at me to "Form one line", when I merely retorted he's my brother & we're travelling together I got the same direction just at a louder volume and re-positioning of his rifle. Welcome to San Francisco!
Friends and family members going to the States, always saying they had a great time barring the ordeal to get into the country.
That said, Australian custom officials are often prejudicial wankers. I've never had a problem being a Caucasian Australian but every single non-Caucasian friend whose travelled here has experienced issues with them. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something that people outside have to learn about the US:
American Law Enforcement DOES NOT HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR.
That goes for the parking meter enforcer all the way up to the Director of the FBI. Any and all visitors to the US, I will repeat, American Law Enforcement does NOT have a sense of humor.
Americans know this. Maybe its ok in the UK to sass a cop, but you do it in the US, you are gonna get booked. Maybe in Germany its ok to crack a joke to the cops that pulled you over for speeding. In the US, they will look at you stone cold and tell the judge at traffic court you were being uncooperative. Tell the world you are gonna "destroy" the US? You are going back home buddy. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Here's something that people outside have to learn about the US:
American Law Enforcement DOES NOT HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR.
That goes for the parking meter enforcer all the way up to the Director of the FBI. Any and all visitors to the US, I will repeat, American Law Enforcement does NOT have a sense of humor.
Americans know this. Maybe its ok in the UK to sass a cop, but you do it in the US, you are gonna get booked. Maybe in Germany its ok to crack a joke to the cops that pulled you over for speeding. In the US, they will look at you stone cold and tell the judge at traffic court you were being uncooperative. Tell the world you are gonna "destroy" the US? You are going back home buddy. |
Well, it's hard to tell if they have a sense of humor. The British guy wasn't funny...
It's not just a US thing. What do you think the results of the following would be?
The UK:
Official: Purpose of visit?
Tourist: To get wasted and shag the Queen.
Korea:
Official: Purpose of visit?
Tourist: To get wasted and chase Korean girls.
You CAN have a good time once you're in, but Jesus man...keep it together long enough to cross the border. Even Hunter Thompson knew that... |
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socialjeebus
Joined: 30 Jun 2011
Location: Yeoksam-dong
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Two idiots got caught out. Although I'd take anything in the Daily Mail with huge pinch of salt (it's pretty much the middle-class old people's version of the the Sun/Star).
OTT response but that's true of any airport, pretty much anywhere.
I remember waiting to check in for the first flight from Fukuoka to Incheon, there were only about 6 people in the queue (I was last) and I'd come pretty much straight from a night out (drinking lots of beer, shochu and awamori) cue the onset of vomiting coupled with me dropping my bag and sprinting to the nearest toilet.
A couple of guards acutally ran after me until they saw me throw myself at the sink in desperation and puke (I largely missed the sink too).
Was even more surprised when they actually let me on the flight, although I suppose they just wanted me out by that stage. |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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So travelling through Europe I was woken up on a train with a german shepherd in my lap and three armed guards escorting me out...because I had a scruffy beard and was coming from Holland. My bag was torn apart on the rail platform in Paris by 4 officers for stated reason...being relatively unkempt. I was asked for my 'papers' in Rome and forced to produce my passport. This has never happened to me or anyone I know in the U.S...current immigration legislation aside.
Brits need to stop throwing stones. I also didn't state at immigration that I wanted to get pissed in london...if that is what you actually say you deserve to be sent back. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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So travelling through Europe I was woken up on a train with a german shepherd in my lap and three armed guards escorting me out...because I had a scruffy beard and was coming from Holland. My bag was torn apart on the rail platform in Paris by 4 officers for stated reason...being relatively unkempt. I was asked for my 'papers' in Rome and forced to produce my passport. This has never happened to me or anyone I know in the U.S...current immigration legislation aside.
Brits need to stop throwing stones. I also didn't state at immigration that I wanted to get pissed in london...if that is what you actually say you deserve to be sent back. |
Sounds pretty harsh what happened to you, but the last time I checked Brits do not police the Holland to Paris train route, nor do they control the Italian police.
Thousands of people are pulled over daily in the US and asked for papers because they look Latino.
Getting drunk is also not a crime or a reason to be denied entry into the US or England.
Whilst driving through California I happened to pulled over twice by the police and their reasons were " you are driving a rental car " oooh how suspicious !!
I have also had the misfortune to deal with the really overly friendly immigration agents entering the US who cant even bring themselves to say "Hello" or "Thank you" when you pass through.
The ones in England may also be complete tools but at least they have a little bit of courtesy. |
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