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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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In Europe and Latin America most people aren't circumcized. Women there are probably used to it and wouldn't be so shallow about the whole thing and I honestly think most American women wouldn't make a big deal out of it either.
Another thing that surprises me is people who pierce their baby's ears. I'm surprised people would cause their little baby pain like that, even if it's brief. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Another thing that surprises me is people who pierce their baby's ears. I'm surprised people would cause their little baby pain like that, even if it's brief. |
My mom chose to have my ears pierced when I was 5 months old so that I'd forget about them and not touch them. She'd had hers done when she was a girl (after begging her parents to allow it) and, as young kids do, touched the earrings constantly, resulting in them getting infected. She discussed it with my doctor, and he said just do it while I was a baby. I'd forget about them within a few minutes and they'd heal. She said that she cried more than I did when I had them pierced, but I think that she did the right thing. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| What's the objective of male circumcision? Is it also to reduce the enjoyment of sex, like women? I was flabbergasted when I found out as many as half of American guys still have this done to them. I thought it was only religious extremists that did that to their kids |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the objective of male circumcision? Is it also to reduce the enjoyment of sex, like women? I was flabbergasted when I found out as many as half of American guys still have this done to them. I thought it was only religious extremists that did that to their kids |
Maybe mom did it once with a guy who wasn't and a guy who was and like the guy who was and wants the same for her son?
That and some people have foreskin conditions that make circumcision appealing. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| What's the objective of male circumcision? Is it also to reduce the enjoyment of sex, like women? I was flabbergasted when I found out as many as half of American guys still have this done to them. I thought it was only religious extremists that did that to their kids |
Maybe mom did it once with a guy who wasn't and a guy who was and like the guy who was and wants the same for her son?
That and some people have foreskin conditions that make circumcision appealing. |
You mean a foreskin that's too tight? Lopping off part of a baby's cock (not a swear word) seems a bit extreme as a 'just in case' measure. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| What's the objective of male circumcision? Is it also to reduce the enjoyment of sex, like women? I was flabbergasted when I found out as many as half of American guys still have this done to them. I thought it was only religious extremists that did that to their kids |
Maybe mom did it once with a guy who wasn't and a guy who was and like the guy who was and wants the same for her son?
That and some people have foreskin conditions that make circumcision appealing. |
You mean a foreskin that's too tight? Lopping off part of a baby's cock (not a swear word) seems a bit extreme as a 'just in case' measure. |
Well if the child has been diagnosed with it, its not a just in case measure.
You asked for reasons that weren't wholly based on tradition or religion, I did the best I could from a practical standpoint. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Well if the child has been diagnosed with it, its not a just in case measure.
You asked for reasons that weren't wholly based on tradition or religion, I did the best I could from a practical standpoint. |
I'm not complaining, I just think there must be more to it than that. Even when so many people over there do it, it's still a pretty extreme thing to consider doing in my eyes |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| What's the objective of male circumcision? Is it also to reduce the enjoyment of sex, like women? I was flabbergasted when I found out as many as half of American guys still have this done to them. I thought it was only religious extremists that did that to their kids |
The objectives follow, and begin with prevention of masturbation which dominates the list, so yes, it is to reduce the enjoyment of sex. You cut guys who think you are having a great time, I hate to tell you that you are only having 25% as much fun as those uncut. After all, the foreskin is just a mass of specialized nerve endings and blood vessels which just also happens to facilitate intromission during intercourse. Yes, you can save a bunch on lube also.
The objectives to rationalize mutilation are always changing. These days, it is falsely claimed that it protects against AIDS/HIV. Not true. See:
NOCIRC's pamphlet on circumcision and HIV/AIDS
Doctors Opposing Circumcision HIV Statement
The Truth about Circumcision and HIV
Before that, in reverse chronological order, it was recommended to prevent:
sand from getting under soldiers' foreskins
Strep infection
urinary tract infections
cancers of the bladder and rectum
masturbation (again)
nervousness
cervical cancer in women
nearly all mental and physical illness
VD
cancer of the tongue and prostate
male sexuality
penile cancer
epilepsy (again)
tuberculosis
urinary and rectal incontinence
blacks from raping white women
masturbation (again)
sexual incontinence
blindness, deafness, and dumbness
masturbation (again)
crossed eyes
nocturnal emissions and abdominal neuralgia
curvature of the spine, paralysis of the bladder, and club foot
bedwetting
spinal paralysis
epilepsy
syphilis
masturbation
Watch the slide show complete with percentages over time.
| Robert Darby wrote: |
| Between the 18th and 19th Centuries, the foreskin was transformed from an adornment that brought pleasure to its owner and his partners...to a useless bit of flesh and an enemy of the state. |
| Edward Wallerstein wrote: |
| Circumcision is a solution is search of a problem. |
ineverlieandamalwaysrightsticky circumcision |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Genital Mutilation Thread |
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| Ribena wrote: |
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In simple language, for its intended audience:
Genital Mutilation is terrible. Even when it happens to women who are not white. In fact, it is just as terrible when it happens to women who are not white, as it is when it happens to women who are. I do not agree to white or brown people performing it on either white or brown women. I do not agree that it is a good thing, whether you are christian, muslim or animist.
It's really not on, in my opinion. I would like to see it stamped out forever.
How about you dear posters? |
I only know of it in Northern Africa and parts of the Middle East.
Which white women does it happen to that you are referring to? |
It happens to some Asian/Middle Eastern/African women in western countries but I don't see why white western people would be doing it. Its against the law in the UK but it seems that they are reasons of "cultural sensitivity" having trouble enforcing it.
Unfortunatly, we have to be sensitive even to those who flout the law of our country. I think all the UK based parents who do this should feel the full force of the law. |
This thread was not primarily about FGM. I was making a point to certain posters. I guess you had to be here circa 2007. |
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