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Seoul to Ban Draconian Appearance Rules at School
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pikadoopoo



Joined: 19 May 2011

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject: Seoul to Ban Draconian Appearance Rules at School Reply with quote

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Schoolchildren in Seoul will soon be allowed to dye or perm their hair after the education authorities decided to ban Draconian rules about what they may and may not look like.

Seoul education chief Kwak No-hyun announced a new ordinance on students' rights last Thursday prohibiting schools from restricting the hairstyles of students and giving a lot more freedom in terms of attire.

At present, most of the 1,200 schools in Seoul have regulations for hairstyles and attire of students. They typically ban perms and dyes and regulate hair length.

Now teachers worry that students will go overboard with accessories. The Seoul Education Office says it is discussing whether to put limits on piercing, tattoos, wigs, make-up and accessories.

A middle school teacher in northeastern Seoul said, "Already kids are secretly putting on powder and lip gloss in the restrooms and we are busy confiscating them. Things are only going to get worse."

Under the ordinance, teachers who try to stop students from perming or dying their hair face punitive measures for restricting their rights. For example, a pupil can file a report against a teacher who "recommends" that the student straightens out the perm. If an investigation finds that this is true, the teacher could be punished.

But critics worry that the added weight given to the subjective feelings of students could lead to problems.

The Seoul Education Office said it is looking at authorizing "guidance" should a youngster's appearance cause alarm to others. But some teachers worry that such guidance could be misinterpreted.

Source: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/01/30/2012013001460.html

Interesting. Laughing


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Times30



Joined: 27 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools are getting more and more deep into "student" rights. I'm all for respectful treatment of students but this is highly lacking in any discipline at all. Even western schools have limits to certain attire such as skirts, flip flops, etc. While not as harsh, we end up with a slippery slope of what is acceptable and what isn't... and even more giving more power to the students rather than teachers.

It's hard enough trying to discipline kids with our hands tied by complaining parents, but I think this is too much.

Hair is hair, fashion is fashion, but there the reasons they exist is to emphasize education. This is school, this isn't a runway. It CAN be distracting to sit behind someone with bright white hair while trying to watch the board.
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bbud656



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt they do away with that awhile ago in other school districts? Im all for kids expressing themselves, but I wonder if this drastic change in freedom will lead to discipline problems. On the plus side, at least something creative will be going on in the classroom for a change.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Times30 wrote:
Schools are getting more and more deep into "student" rights. I'm all for respectful treatment of students but this is highly lacking in any discipline at all. Even western schools have limits to certain attire such as skirts, flip flops, etc. While not as harsh, we end up with a slippery slope of what is acceptable and what isn't... and even more giving more power to the students rather than teachers.

It's hard enough trying to discipline kids with our hands tied by complaining parents, but I think this is too much.

Hair is hair, fashion is fashion, but there the reasons they exist is to emphasize education. This is school, this isn't a runway. It CAN be distracting to sit behind someone with bright white hair while trying to watch the board.


How about hair length and style being optional, only natural colours for hair, no make up, jewelry or tattoos? That's quite common in the UK

In the news recently a school back home sent out guidelines to parents with what hair colours are considered natural and what aren't. I think there was even a colour wheel included Smile
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motiontodismiss



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for students being able to dress themselves however they want....within reason. Then again, the scope of what I consider "reasonable" is pretty wide.

I think this is a step in the right direction. Eventually they'll abolish uniforms too. Kids need an outlet to express themselves in ways that are not destructive. The way it is, with hair restrictions and stupid school uniforms the only way they can express themselves is through violence. They're young, they'll try things out like dying their hair purple, but it's just a phase and it'll pass.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motiontodismiss wrote:
I'm all for students being able to dress themselves however they want....within reason. Then again, the scope of what I consider "reasonable" is pretty wide.

I think this is a step in the right direction. Eventually they'll abolish uniforms too. Kids need an outlet to express themselves in ways that are not destructive. The way it is, with hair restrictions and stupid school uniforms the only way they can express themselves is through violence. They're young, they'll try things out like dying their hair purple, but it's just a phase and it'll pass.


School uniforms are great for a number of reasons, especially in Korea. They should keep them and start elementary kids wearing them.
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andrewchon



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Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see an increase in violence, stealing, promiscuity in the school age group. I remember the local imam back in Oz getting lambasted for saying: If she dresses like wanton then she deserved what she got. (sexual assualt) And then they said in sotto voce, 'serves her right'. Why? Students are not going to express their artistic sensibilities. They'll be showing off their 'status'. When there're bounders being 'uppity' or 'lording over', the others fight back dirty. This is going to get UGLY.
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Squire



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids should have to wear uniforms. It reminds them that they are at school and not at home
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swinewho



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little balance wouldn't go amiss here!

Like some other posters have said, clear guidelines for the kids, teachers AND parents are vital - without these this is going to cause a lot of problems for all sides. - but that won't happen!

btw - I agree that uniforms should be kept, and maybe be introduced at elem. This helps to reduce bullying, but kids will always want to show their (parents) wealth, they will/do just find other ways - latest smart phone/des glasses/shoes ect......

The Korean teachers feel helpless with all these recent changes - esp the older teachers, their general attitude (from the one's I have see/spoken to) are - 'well this is bad, children's attitudes getting worse - how can I do anything if I cannot hit them!

So there response now is to do nothing and 'prove 'what a mess the gov are causing...........

The younger teachers can relate more to the children - a little empathy goes a long way!

Complete clarity and continuity is needed when you teach children - when the situation of 'unfairness' arises - kids feed off it!

If they are able to say - well she did X and nothing happened, why can�t i? Or he is wearing Y, why can�t I?

It's a slippery slope - and I still think that K schools should have corp punishment - but in a managed way - ie there is 'Mr/Ms punishment' at the school and only THEY can strike a kid - the reasons for should be clear and documented and there should be continuity!
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing is going to change for the kids. They can already flaunt their status through the types of bags and coats that they wear. I think this can only be a good thing, because maybe it will help them grow up a little more by the time they reach college. Allowing them to change their hairstyle is great just don't let them dye their hair blue or anything that crazy.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swinewho wrote:
how can I do anything if I cannot hit them!

So there response now is to do nothing and 'prove 'what a mess the gov are causing...........


I'd agree with them...

Teaching used to be regarded as one of the best jobs in korea.
Now its a raw deal. Certainly not worth the effort required to pass the ridiculously difficult teachers exam.

education here is going the same way as the west. in the trashcan.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fine, to an extent, with giving the students more rights. But with more rights, comes more responsibilities...and this Ed Superintendant seems to be forgetting that.

But keep in mind that this is the same guy who as just convicted of giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to his opponent in the last election... So that he'd drop out. This fool will hopefully be out of a job and serving time soon enough... Just gotta clear out that appeal.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:

But keep in mind that this is the same guy who as just convicted of giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to his opponent in the last election... So that he'd drop out. This fool will hopefully be out of a job and serving time soon enough... Just gotta clear out that appeal.

Maybe he proposed the rule just to look good and get some people on his side. Seems like that was a factor in the free school lunch for everyone deal. Political posturing over sensible rules and logic.

Anyway, he'll almost certainly be replaced by another fool... and the cycle will repeat.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motiontodismiss wrote:
The way it is, with hair restrictions and stupid school uniforms the only way they can express themselves is through violence.


Shocked

You mean because you have a uniform on you can't write, sing, dance, play an instrument, draw, paint, cook, etc?

I'm pretty neutral on school uniforms and dress codes. I went to Catholic School for a couple of years and had a dress code. Didn't really do much one way or the other. Bout the only thing it did was make wearing a suit and tie "normal" and not something to get freaked out over.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Under the ordinance, teachers who try to stop students from perming or dying their hair face punitive measures for restricting their rights. For example, a pupil can file a report against a teacher who "recommends" that the student straightens out the perm. If an investigation finds that this is true, the teacher could be punished.

Does anyone else find this detail completely ridiculous?

What kind of message does that send in terms of teacher vs student power hierarchy? It's one thing to let students change their hair, but to punish teachers if they mention it? THAT's draconian.

"Min Su, I thought your hair looked better without the perm."

"What? Teacher, you are infringing on my rights and I'm going to file a report. You will be punished...unless you give me an A+"

Insanity.

To think that only a couple years ago teachers could beat students with a stick, but now teachers are punished if they even mention a student's perm.
Where's the balance?
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