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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| I make about 6 million a month net (legally) which works out to about 50,000 pounds a year gross in the UK. So I consider myself quite well-off. We're worth about a million USD |
Ha, ha, I told you last time you posted this quote that I'm British and have no idea what 1 dollar's worth, never mind a million. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I was all excited because I'm starting a new job on Friday with a salary that I considered quite nice.
Then I read this thread...  |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
Ha, ha, I told you last time you posted this quote that I'm British and have no idea what 1 dollar's worth, never mind a million. |
So are you claiming that you didn't write that edward? You seem to have a very poor memory. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head, learning Korean will:
- help you qualify for elite test prep positions
- help you qualify for administrative positions (HR, marketing etc) in TEFL
- help you qualify for management positions in TEFL
- help you qualify for consulting work in TEFL
- help you qualify for an F2 visa
- help you recognize more employment opportunities
- expand your networking reach
- elevate you above 99% of other foreigners in Korea
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I did say I was talking about TEFL, not marketing, management, consultancy or test prep. The rest of them might open more opportunitiees but it's a very hard thing to measure. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Ha, ha, I told you last time you posted this quote that I'm British and have no idea what 1 dollar's worth, never mind a million. |
Yes, you said that last time. I thought you were just weaseling out of that conversation with another blatant lie so I just let it go. But if you insist that you "have no idea what 1 dollar is worth", you sure are good at faking it:
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| I used to work at the BC and know this for a fact. A top job at the BC would land you a six figure salary (in dollars), 5 million won a month housing allowance, free schooling in international schools for all your kids and diplomatic status. |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| The average house price in the UK is around 200,000 dollars but there are pockets e.g. London, where this will be way more and others, e.g. the North East, where prices will be significantly less |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If you're from the UK the average NET starting salary for a graduate is in the region of 25,000 dollars. So about the same as what a recent graduate would get teaching English here. However the free housing makes a big difference. In the UK you'd be spending around 750 dollars a month on rent for a studio flat, probably double that in London, so you'd probably be taking home around the equivalent of 1,250,000 won a month. |
Shall I keep going edward? There's quite a few posts showing you use the term one million dollars very well despite your claimed ignorance on that exact amount. I must admit, I am intrigued by your selective memory and ability to delude yourself. However, your inability to tell the truth raises the questions: Just how did you make 10 million last month? Any proof of that? |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
Ha, ha, I told you last time you posted this quote that I'm British and have no idea what 1 dollar's worth, never mind a million. |
You have no idea what a dollar's worth? That's worse than people who brag about never owning a cell phone, or logging onto Facebook. You're an adult guy living in a foreign country that is heavily reliant on foreign exchange with exchange counters everywhere, and you've never noticed the USD rates? The EUR/USD is the most heavily traded currency pair in the world, followed by GBP/USD, and you don't have a ballpark idea what the dollar exchange rate would be?
And honestly, even for a non-mathy sort of guy, in the case that you did know what 1 dollar's worth (in terms of something you can relate to, say GBP), would adding 6 zeros really be all that difficult? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| You have no idea what a dollar's worth? |
I was kind of tongue in cheek about that actually. duh.
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| I make about 6 million a month net (legally) which works out to about 50,000 pounds a year gross in the UK. So I consider myself quite well-off. We're worth about a million USD |
Yeah you got me there, I did say that but it was a while ago and I'm sure you misquoted me. I should have said 1 million pounds not dollars. And by now I'm worth a lot more than that. A lot more. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with the last poster who said that learning Korean is a huge asset. You are simply taken more seriously if you make a serious stab at learning the local language rather than just blowing it off. |
...I questioned whether the time spent on studying it was worth the pay back in terms of salary in TEFL.
No one has really argued a convincing case for this yet in my book. (And I'm not talking aboout starting your own hagwan and being able to deal with the parents or people wanting to get out of TEFL) |
Well that would depend on what you do with it. Simply learning Korean while continuing to work at your hakwon/public school is not going to increase your salary that much in and of itself. However it does increase your ability to network as you are not limited to the typical expat circle or locals with decent English. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Next time please take the time to read and understand an article/link before attempting to use it as a rebuttal.
As your article points out that new restriction is only for the Wiki pages of living people. It says nothing about said restriction being applied to any other types of Wiki pages whatsoever.
You're right. I should have read it more carefully. I apologize.
Now back on topic.
I agree with the last poster who said that learning Korean is a huge asset. You are simply taken more seriously if you make a serious stab at learning the local language rather than just blowing it off. |
As for learning Korean, it depends ...
It never helped me much, but maybe that's because I really didn't want
to work a bunch of extra part-time gigs.
Of the people I knew who were making big bucks, all of them had Korean wives, but few of them had time to study Korean because they were always working. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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Off the top of my head, learning Korean will:
- help you qualify for elite test prep positions
- help you qualify for administrative positions (HR, marketing etc) in TEFL
- help you qualify for management positions in TEFL
- help you qualify for consulting work in TEFL
- help you qualify for an F2 visa
- help you recognize more employment opportunities
- expand your networking reach
- elevate you above 99% of other foreigners in Korea
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I did say I was talking about TEFL, not marketing, management, consultancy or test prep. The rest of them might open more opportunitiees but it's a very hard thing to measure. |
Knowing Korean gives you new insight into how to teach English to Koreans. For example, Korean is a topic oriented language while English is a subject oriented language. So, if you read a sentence:
there are so many Korean people live around the lake
you would know that there are TWO possible problems with the sentence. One, the student does not understand relative pronouns. The OTHER choice would be that the student is using a topical construction instead of a subject construction. Perhaps they want to say:
Many Korean people, they live around the lake
There are so many Korean people live around the lake
There are many Korean people who live around the lake
Many Korean people live around the lake
So, a teacher who doesn't know anything about Korean will more than likely make the assumption that the student made a pronoun error and will not correct the true problem - the topic oriented sentence construction.
Imagine you are a sports team - do you only want a team who focuses on offense, or a team who only focuses on defense? If you don't understand the other players and how they play the game, you don't have a chance. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| I should have said 1 million pounds not dollars. And by now I'm worth a lot more than that. A lot more. |
For someone who goes out of his way to insult others for talking about their income, you seem to have no trouble bragging about yours.  |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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Off the top of my head, learning Korean will:
- help you qualify for elite test prep positions
- help you qualify for administrative positions (HR, marketing etc) in TEFL
- help you qualify for management positions in TEFL
- help you qualify for consulting work in TEFL
- help you qualify for an F2 visa
- help you recognize more employment opportunities
- expand your networking reach
- elevate you above 99% of other foreigners in Korea
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I did say I was talking about TEFL, not marketing, management, consultancy or test prep. The rest of them might open more opportunitiees but it's a very hard thing to measure. |
Knowing Korean gives you new insight into how to teach English to Koreans. For example, Korean is a topic oriented language while English is a subject oriented language. So, if you read a sentence:
there are so many Korean people live around the lake
you would know that there are TWO possible problems with the sentence. One, the student does not understand relative pronouns. The OTHER choice would be that the student is using a topical construction instead of a subject construction. Perhaps they want to say:
Many Korean people, they live around the lake
There are so many Korean people live around the lake
There are many Korean people who live around the lake
Many Korean people live around the lake
So, a teacher who doesn't know anything about Korean will more than likely make the assumption that the student made a pronoun error and will not correct the true problem - the topic oriented sentence construction.
Imagine you are a sports team - do you only want a team who focuses on offense, or a team who only focuses on defense? If you don't understand the other players and how they play the game, you don't have a chance. |
You are a superstar. No sarcasm. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes learning Korean is useful for all sorts of reasons, I'm doing it myself. I was just questioning the automatic response of 'learn Korean' a lot of posters on Dave's have the moment someone asks for advice on how to succeed in TEFL here. My advice would be don't spend a lot of time learning Korean when you get here. First ASAP decide what your future plans are and act accordingly. If you want to stay in Korea but not in TEFL then of course learn the language. If you want to stay in Korea for a couple of years and save money then find out the best legal way to do that and go for it. Maybe the Wall Street two jobs thing. If you want to stay in TEFL but maybe not in Korea, decide what job or area you want aspire to work in, find out what qualifications they demand and start working for them immediately. People will say you can learn Korean while doing other things but you'd have to be fairly superhuman to do it while holding down a full time job and studying for an MA, CELTA or DELTA. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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So, a teacher who doesn't know anything about Korean...will not correct the true problem |
I DO think that knowing your learners is important, but I have to respectfully disagree with what you said above.
Without knowing any Korean I could tell you what the problem with the sentence was within the context of my lesson aims. If the structural aim of the lesson was relative pronouns, then I could tell you that that is where the error was made. Or even better, make the lesson student-centered and see if they could identify and correct the error. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| nathanrutledge wrote: |
So, a teacher who doesn't know anything about Korean...will not correct the true problem |
I DO think that knowing your learners is important, but I have to respectfully disagree with what you said above.
Without knowing any Korean I could tell you what the problem with the sentence was within the context of my lesson aims. If the structural aim of the lesson was relative pronouns, then I could tell you that that is where the error was made. Or even better, make the lesson student-centered and see if they could identify and correct the error. |
That's true - IF your lesson is focusing on that SPECIFIC aspect, then you're right. But say you're proofreading a paper, or working on something unrelated to relative pronouns. Sure, you can correct the sentence using a relative pronoun, but if they KNOW how to use relative pronouns but aren't because they are thinking in a topical manner instead of a subjective manner, then what have you really accomplished?
As you point out though, a big part of it does come back to lesson plans and aims. |
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