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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Carbon I don't know where to begin, but this was about smokers, not Koreans.
The whole smokers going to the front thing happens here and back home.
Maybe at your mom and pop store or the CVS its like how you say it is, but if no one minds someone going to the front and throwing down 50 cent for a loosey.
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So apparently smokers are the only people who have their money ready. Everyone else does not? Where are the Lion and the Tinman, Scarecrow?
Here is another problem with your logic. When I am in line, I have my product and my wallet in hand. Do smokers? Nope. Cigarettes are behind the counter. You are actually NOT ready to make your purchase. Backa da line, jackass! |
The point is that ANYONE buying a single item is fine jumping ahead and handing over the exact change, provided the whole thing doesn't take more than two seconds if the person in front is being slow. This may include a smoker who doesn't have exact change or is buying something else.
Again, if its wrong for someone to jump ahead and delay you by two seconds, then its wrong for someone in line to not have their money ready or stare at things when they get to the front.
Again, which wastes more time? But where is the rant dedicated to those people?
Again, what is so bad about spending an extra two seconds in line to save a fellow human being 1 minute of time? What is wrong about that concept?
I'm on your side in this. I support the idea that you should be able to hand off a Chun Won and head out the door with your coke instead of waiting for 5 people to conclude their transactions.
I support the idea that reasonable adults can make those decisions.
But apparently "The Line is Stone" crowd thinks that people people trying to engage in common sense should be shouted at and confronted and that there should be no flexibility.
What a surprise, they're non-smokers. The people fighting for smoking bans even in bars which no one forces them to enter. And of course the people who hum along in their pollution belching cars while screaming about how I'm poisoning their air. And screaming about a smoker jumping in line to make an exact change transaction while not even having cash ready or getting to the register at BK, hearing "May I take your order" and going "duhh.....just a moment..." as 3 people behind them sigh and roll their eyes. Gee, hard to imagine that they adopt that strange rigid, yet narrow vision.
Look, before you cast stones, make sure you aren't guilty of some line-delaying inconsideracy yourself.
Before you blame people for poisoning your air, make sure you aren't throwing your batteries out in the trash or driving a 15mpg V8 belcher.
There's things to be firm about on the rules and there are times to be flexible.
I for one see the corner store as a jolly place, and it was even a bit of a community place. People had smiles and were friendly and would talk to strangers and try to get the best for each other. Everyone was getting their drink on or their smoke on. People catching a bit of the game on the TV. Chaldeans and blacks and whites and a single Korean all standing there and shooting the bull. People cheering for crazy Dennis as he hit another Daily 4. Big Al taking care of you and not worrying about a couple extra pennies. Double Deuces and 5-0. Skin mags and watching pigskin. Newport Looseys and Swisher Sweets. Brown bags and Honey Brown.
But I guess that's the difference between a corner store and a convenience mart. A bunch of people standing in line and saying nothing and eying each other suspiciously. No one knows each other and everything is scanned and computerized. No flexibility, no "No problem".
Fine, you guys win. At your convenience marts and whatever, make a person wait 5 minutes to get a $1 coke with a $1 bill. All because of "the line". You do your thing there, and the corner store will do its thing. People there may not be the best human beings but at least they understand that it's stupid to wait make someone wait 5 minutes for a coke ot of some sense of inflexible territoriality and not get in a huff about someone jumping ahead so they can have that first drag of the day ASAP.
Furthermore, if you have a problem with smoking and smokers, what in the world are you doing in a corner store? That's like saying you have a problem with drinking and going to a bar. Corner stores are like the Elk's Lodge of smokers, drinkers, lotto-fiends, and stoners. What are you doing at a corner store? Get over to the grocery or some family super or something. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Carbon I don't know where to begin, but this was about smokers, not Koreans. |
You are apparently equally unaware of where to end.
You took this thread in the direction it went. I just took it further to make a point. All of your backpedaling and attempts at finger-pointing and casting aspersions is just trite. Too much, too late. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| If your group of friends engage in any activity you can't stand, you must either endure the behavior or find new friends. Don't whine and try to change them. |
This. I smoke when I drink. If there's galbi and a bottle of soju around, I'm going to smoke. My friends and coworkers recognize this and deal with it. If the smoke is blowing in their faces, I'm going to switch places, but if I'm out with my buddy for dinner and it's just him and I, I'm not going to leave the table every time I want to have a smoke. |
I bet many of them secretly resent you and bitch about you. |
You really think so? So, when there are four of us hanging out at a non-smokers apartment, two smokers and two non-smokers, and the other smoker and I pop out onto the landing for a smoke every hour or so, is it resentment that brings the non-smoker to tell us to just smoke out of his window? Because this happens every time we hang out. With the group of people I hang out with, I generally get scolded for getting up and leaving to smoke. I guess they're just a hell of a lot more relaxed than you (or they just really appreciate my company).
And as another poster mentioned: worrying about what my friends secretly think about me is serious insecurity. They're my friends: if they have a problem, they can voice it, and we can adjust accordingly. |
Well what you've just said there doesn't relate at all to what you said in the post I've quoted. You sounds like a completely different bloke in the second one lol. I wasn't serious with what I said, my point was you came across as someone with a like it or lump it attitude, which most people in a social group don't tend to like. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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I'm sick of the nonsmokers driveling, whining, and complaining.
Look, you have courteous smokers and you have people who just don't give a damn. And you know what? You are more likely to encounter the latter than the former, because the courteous smokers aren't bothering you.
You remember that 1 smoker who is smoking next to you, but are completely oblivious to the 5 who stepped outside for a smoke. You remember the 1 smoker who cut in front of you, but have no idea that the 3 people standing behind you are also buying cigarettes.
Lets get all fired up and piss on smokers because ALL of them gotta be uncivilized, degenerate, baboons for smoking in the first place.  |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sick of the nonsmokers driveling, whining, and complaining.
Look, you have courteous smokers and you have people who just don't give a damn. And you know what? You are more likely to encounter the latter than the former, because the courteous smokers aren't bothering you.
You remember that 1 smoker who is smoking next to you, but are completely oblivious to the 5 who stepped outside for a smoke. You remember the 1 smoker who cut in front of you, but have no idea that the 3 people standing behind you are also buying cigarettes.
Lets get all fired up and piss on smokers because ALL of them gotta be uncivilized, degenerate, baboons for smoking in the first place. |
Well I know I didn't criticize ALL smokers for line jumping. And I have no problem with the ones lining up to buy their cigarettes. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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We have all seen it, had it happen to us and accept it as part of the "things I don't like, but gotta live with" Korean experience. If we took everyone to task or even continued to care every time something like this happened, we would be in prison or a funny farm.
All of your lame conditions - "exact change" and whatnot - represent the typical broken rationalizations in a country that has no sense of group dynamics or cohesive, consistent, coherent group behavior.. |
First off do not speak for me or any other person for that matter. It does not happen that often to me and when it does I do not accept it as part of the "things I don't like, but gotta live with".
I will (a) reprimand the person for line jumping and tell him/her to get their a$$ back in line
(b) Physically muscle the person of the way should he ignore me (and it's always a "he")
(c) Cut back in front and tell the person "I was here first, wait your turn!"
And if you think it's bad here...China's even worse...as are some other countries. This is positively "tame".
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Sanctioned line cutting
In some instances cutting in line is sanctioned by the authority overseeing the queue. For example, amusement park operators such as Six Flags have programs whereby patrons can pay for the privilege of cutting the line for an attraction by arriving at a pre-designated time.[4]
[edit] National attitudes
In former Communist countries, where waiting in long queues was a near-daily occurrence for some, especially at times of rationing, the act of waiting in line and the code of conduct associated with it is much more institutionalized and regimented to this day (See Consumer supply in the Soviet Union in the 1980s). In Russia, for example, the art of queuing is finely-honed: it is acceptable for a person to leave the queue to use the bathroom (or similar brief diversion) and then return to their original place without having to ask permission. It is also common for a person to be allowed to jump to the front of the queue in special cases, like the need to purchase a ticket for an imminently departing train |
All of which speaks to "The line is stone" attitudes that Mr. Steelrails mentioned. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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