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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Sure the Koreans will have a real hit eventually but I don't understand why they keep trying to turn it into a nationalistic 'wave' that's sweeping the world. |
And this is why I want to see K-Pop fail 
Seriously, shut the f up with this hallyu bull$hit. I'm sick of it. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Without Americans, there would be no Jazz.
'nough said. |
Actually without African-Americans and weed there would be no jazz  |
Yes. Nor would there be the blues, rock and roll, disco, electronic music, hip-hop, etc. If you're a digger, you'll see how African Americans had a higher impact on every form of American music than many people would choose to acknowledge. Essentially, African Americans created American music. |
And the weed helped too.
Along with psychedelics, heroin, and other substances.
"electronic music" would have existed but wouldn't be nearly as funky without African American influence. |
Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of early house music (aka off beat Disco at the time), where black people owned it at places like the Garage and turned it into what was to become electronic music. American music is generally a drug-infused, stylistic self-progression, fueled by drugs and groovy black dudes. And I mean that in the best possible way. ...snip |
Definitely.
Although as far as electronic music, nerdy white guys and japanese, german, and american engineers had just as much to do with it as anyone. Especially as far as blazing new sonic territory and pushing various sub genres.
Drug use, emotional instability and interesting music creation usually go hand in hand no matter what color you are. That's one reason why a lot of western music has more of a bite, an edge, and pushes creative boundaries whereas a lot of Asian contemporary music has more of a copied, safe, paint by numbers kind of feel and this is the reason many just can't vibe to it.
Also they are late to the party and most of what is produced there we've already heard because for the most part it's essentially been copied from the west from classical to hip hop.
That doesn't mean good stuff can't come out of there but they can't always expect a huge reaction to their music. This goes double for most K-pop, which pretty much adds nothing and borrows everything. Essentially it's mostly a marketing angle and all we'll be doing is looking at the cute faces and pretty legs. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/asias-k-pop-clones-dance-to-south-korean-beat-2
SINGAPORE �
Twelve-year-old Sabrina Kaur does not understand the lyrics of her favorite South Korean boy band Big Bang�s songs and, until recently, had never met Koreans in real life.
Let's see that one more time-
[i]�After Asia, the next step is for Korean culture to conquer the world,� Yun told AFP.
Honestly, is that something that anyone of u looks forward to happening? Sure, becoming a little more industrious would be ok (not sure that is a trait owned by Korea), less crime would be nice, okay, but are u fine with a vision of the world conquered by the culture u see here?
*ModEdit: Please do not paste the entire article, a simple link will suffice. |
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repeatpete
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| ...for me, the problem will always be that I can't hear the words and there's never a tune I can whistle to...much less mimic the dance moves with 9 of my friends using hairbrushes instead of microphones without getting a lot of ageist comments and open questioning about sexual orientation. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
�After Asia, the next step is for Korean culture to conquer the world,� Yun told AFP.
Honestly, is that something that anyone of u looks forward to happening? Sure, becoming a little more industrious would be ok (not sure that is a trait owned by Korea), less crime would be nice, okay, but are u fine with a vision of the world conquered by the culture u see here? |
That statement is hyperbole and ego talking. Bad marketing bluster. "Conquer" is a slightly loaded word, but Korea's never been a colonizing nation so I can understand the slip up.
It's an ironic statement too as far as K-pop goes, as it mostly mimics American pop and pop culture... and then gets marketed back to us as something "new". Hmm...
We're just at the beginning of the marketing campaign though so brace for the onslaught.
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is...as with sports...are they willing to do what it takes to compete?
When in Rome....
To be an outstanding athlete...drugs are almost a given.
To be an outstanding musician...drugs are a given.
If Korea wants to create world class music on an international level...they need to let their musicians compete.
Smoke pot = go to jail ...will need to be changed to
Smoke pot = number 1 hit = Hero of Hallyu
Too many musicians in Korea have been overly domesticated...often the best music is created from a source that is wild by nature. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
�After Asia, the next step is for Korean culture to conquer the world,� Yun told AFP.
Honestly, is that something that anyone of u looks forward to happening? Sure, becoming a little more industrious would be ok (not sure that is a trait owned by Korea), less crime would be nice, okay, but are u fine with a vision of the world conquered by the culture u see here? |
That statement is hyperbole and ego talking. Bad marketing bluster. "Conquer" is a slightly loaded word, but Korea's never been a colonizing nation so I can understand the slip up.
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I think the record companies and the government interpret that statement in a far more serious manner than what you might imagine-
http://www.koreaherald.com/entertainment/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120207001214
"As much I�m here to see my fans, I was invited by the Korean Culture Service and will do my utmost to promote our culture,� the popular singer said in front of his excited fans.
His fans sang along to his songs in Korean before surprising him with a belated birthday party. The tickets to the fan meeting were sold out in 30 minutes on the Korean Culture Service website, highlighting the rising popularity of hallyu in Turkey.
Kim Jae-joong also joined President Lee Myung-bak for dinner in the Presidential Palace, where they received a warm welcome.
By Sim Guk-by
And as u pointed out, more than a little ironic that the K-pop culture they have slapped together and are now hawking as "Korean culture" is watered down US music (with elements from especially Japan and a bit of Europe thrown in for good measure). |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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I hope K-pop falls flat on it's face in the west, as it will do, until they come up with something unique themselves. I think talking about a Korean wave before it's even happened is pathetic
We've got our own empty, homogenic pop music thanks |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Even if they manage to even start to get popular, it's just going to lead to a revival of the American girl and boy band; same idea as the Korean stuff, but styled more to American sounds and taste, with more ethnic diversity and better English ability.
I can see one of these K-pop groups getting a job offer as back up dancers and chorus singers for some American singer (Gwen Stefani?). They maybe even be allowed to do a performance of a single as a warm up. Sadly their record company will deny them their best shot at getting to number one. |
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| goreality wrote: |
I can see one of these K-pop groups getting a job offer as back up dancers and chorus singers for some American singer (Gwen Stefani?). They maybe even be allowed to do a performance of a single as a warm up. Sadly their record company will deny them their best shot at getting to number one. |
I wonder why they haven't worked more with western artists. It would make the western artists a lot more popular here and might give the Korean artists a chance in the west. I remember watching a show about 2NE1 working with Will.i.am, but I haven't heard anything about any results from it. There might have been more collaborations I haven't heard about, since I don't really follow the K-pop scene. |
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borg
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans are really behind the trend. Soon enough they'll realize Americans left bubble gum pop groups back in the mid 90s |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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http://blogs.wsj.com/scene/2012/02/07/can-girls-generation-break-through-in-america/?mod=google_news_blog
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Then Mandel decided to pay the girls a compliment. �Your English is very good!� he said to one member � bubbly, effusive Tiffany. Without missing a beat, Tiffany responded in a perfect NorCal accent, �Well � I was born in America.� �I was too!� chimed Jessica, the brown-haired pixie next to her. Startled, Mandel could only repeat, �And�your English is very good!� The other girls burst into laughter as Tiffany defused the awkward situation: �I know, I know, thank you so much, I studied so hard!�
You can�t really fault Mandel. After all, Girls� Generation is the face of young Korea � the nation�s hottest and biggest-selling female music group. To him, Tiffany and her bandmate Jessica speaking fluent Americanese must have been like hearing Katy Perry suddenly bust out in Khmer.
But Tiffany and Jessica � and the growing ranks of other Korean American performers recruited by management companies like SM Entertainment and JYPE in U.S.-based talent searches � aren�t just a random act of globalization. They�re the secret weapon in Korea�s next push for worldwide youth-culture domination. |
In bold is what makes Girls Generation different than BoA, Rain, and Wondergirls. THAT is the "x-factor" that gives K-Pop a small chance to enter the US market.
Its no secret that Korean entertainment companies have been sticking Korean-Americans into their boy/girl groups. They learned that its much easier to find a talented Native Speaker than to try and teach a Korean English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-HkQfyipzA
KBS World Radio interview with Tiffany and Jessica. I think if those 2 were the "face" of the group doing interviews and the talk show circuit, then Girls Generation has a chance. They are Americans. Because of that they have the advantage of knowing US culture, knowing how to be sarcastic, knowing how to joke around, etc... |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: |
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To correct a few posters on this thread, KPop is already becoming trendy in some European markets such as France, etc. Take the KPop boy band 'JYJ' for example (a breakoff of TVQX).
Alas, the song GG song hasn't even charted yet on Billboard.
A few JPop singers have tried and failed. Remember when Utadu Hikaru back a few years ago embelished us with the song 'Eazy Breezy.? One of my faves actually yet, alas, it wasn't well received.
Probably the biggest act to come out of Asia was the metal band Loudness back in the '80s.
Look around and 'Asian Town' in America and you'll see a small pocket of lovers of the genre. |
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jaj
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: |
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These young women don't have the confidence to be doing "sexy." They seem coerced.
Their producers are so clueless about the West that they don't realize a bunch of Asian girls in black lace stockings and batting their eyes this way only play to stereotypes of Oriental masseuses and comfort women.
I'd prefer to see a band of Asian females who look produced, not "trafficked." |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:06 am Post subject: |
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what I want to know is how much money has SM wasted on this group.
getting teddy riley to produce the album, BIG BUCKS.
hotel rooms, flights, staff, buying there way onto shows, paying off people.
probably going to pay the grammys to get them there too.
but for what? this group can't be around 10 years from now. no boy or girl band went into their 30's
that's just sad. and especially in Korea. girl bands are usually finished by the time the girls hit 26-28 then its boarder line ajuma. there will be young stars coming up , 12 year old girls don't want to watch girls almost 20 years older than them.
so I really don't understand SMs ambition. must be a personal thing for Lee Su man. he like JYP want to be known in USA . but they keep coming up short.
wrong century for them I think,,maybe when the Korean community in USA hit 5 million people and they start to pack out arenas of 80.000
not these small venues with 4000 Koreans studying there,
and then the press say they sold out madison sqaure garden! and rocked USA , took the world by storm.. what!? 4000 people in a small venue, took the country by storm??????
I think Korean musicians from the 80's and early 90's would of had a much better shot at taking America than the trash pop coming out of Korea now. but hey, Justin beiber did it. so maybe there is hope. |
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