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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: 2MB's New Towns Fail Reply with quote

Seoul Ends Failed 'New Towns' Project

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The scheme was first introduced in 2002 by former Seoul mayor Lee Myung-bak, a homebuilder before becoming mayor and now the country�s president. The project built on a previous new town effort begun in the late 1980s to alleviate crowding in the city by building five new towns about 20 kilometers outside the city. Lee�s effort was intended to create better living conditions for low-income residents, starting with three pilot projects in slum areas. With financial success, these projects inspired dozens of developers to take on similar redevelopment efforts throughout the city.

The new towns seemed like a good idea during the real estate boom, with locals in �old towns� clamoring for the redevelopment projects that would grandly increase their property values. But now, most residents in areas that had been slated for redevelopment as new towns would prefer to stick with the old as the financial benefits of redevelopment have disappeared.

Indeed, 85 percent of the proposed new town developments haven�t broken ground.
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socialjeebus



Joined: 30 Jun 2011
Location: Yeoksam-dong

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a big shock to be honest.

Oh well 2MB is done soon anyway.

Can't say he'll be missed.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

socialjeebus wrote:
Not a big shock to be honest.

Oh well 2MB is done soon anyway.

Can't say he'll be missed.


Your ID name is offensive to Christians. Would you mind changing it please?
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Yeah, I'm sure he'll get right on that. Rolling Eyes
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
^ Yeah, I'm sure he'll get right on that. Rolling Eyes


I asked him politely.

We don't see an epidemic of people choosing ID handles that ridicule islam or bhuddhism. So I don't think its OK to do to Christianity.

Seriously, its offensive.
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Italy37612



Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Smithington wrote:
^ Yeah, I'm sure he'll get right on that. Rolling Eyes


I asked him politely.

We don't see an epidemic of people choosing ID handles that ridicule islam or bhuddhism. So I don't think its OK to do to Christianity.

Seriously, its offensive.


You have GOT to be kidding me? Rolling Eyes
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Smithington wrote:
^ Yeah, I'm sure he'll get right on that. Rolling Eyes


I asked him politely.

We don't see an epidemic of people choosing ID handles that ridicule islam or bhuddhism. So I don't think its OK to do to Christianity.

Seriously, its offensive.


Seriously...why is it offensive?
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
socialjeebus wrote:
Not a big shock to be honest.

Oh well 2MB is done soon anyway.

Can't say he'll be missed.


Your ID name is offensive to Christians. Would you mind changing it please?


Excuse me Jews, Buddhists, etc...your religion is offensive to Christians. Would you mind changing it please?
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socialjeebus



Joined: 30 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as Jesus (or Isa) is a very important prophet in the Islamic faith I don't see how you can make the assertion that Muslims wouldn't be similarly offended as Christians would.

Also my name is not actually meant to mock Christianity, it merely references on of my favourite Homer quotes from one of my favourite Simpsons episodes.

The jeebus part references the episode of the Simpsons in which Homer becomes a missionary on a tropical island to avoid the PBS goons (after failing to make a promised donation).

Having said that, I will be changing my ID (also at a mods request too) once I've selected an available, inoffensive moniker which I find appropriate. Though it must be said this is the first time I've ever had anyone consider it offensive (it's also the primary part of my email address).
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

italy37612 wrote:
You have GOT to be kidding me?


It shouldn't be difficult to imagine that christians resent having their God's name changed to some cartoon offshoot as a form of ridicule.

I understand that many people do not have faith, which is entirely their own business.
But why do they have to go around publicising this disbelief in a way that offends people who do?
There's about 4 or 5 people with blasphemous ID names on here. Names that are instantly hurtful to millions of people, names that mock the deeply held faith of millions.

TheCosmicHum wrote:
Seriously...why is it offensive?


To Christians, the name of our Lord must not be taken lightly or abused. The fact that such abuse has become common and widespread..and increasingly encouraged in western popular culture.. doesn't make it acceptable.

You don't hear people abusing bhuddhism or islam in their day-to-day spoken language. Instead.. the vast majority of swear or cuss words in use..are designed to insult christianity.

Its equivalent of someone walking around using your own fathers, sisters or mothers name as a swearword or term of abuse. Its like being kicked in the gut to hear and see it all the time. Its personal.

ThePosterInQuestion wrote:
Having said that, I will be changing my ID (also at a mods request too) once I've selected an available, inoffensive moniker which I find appropriate. .


Sincerely, thankyou.
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socialjeebus



Joined: 30 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus was also pivotal to Islam too, so I don't understand why you choose to ignore the fact that Muslims may also be similarly offended. I also stated that it was not my intent to ridicule anyone's beliefs.

And with regards to most (English-language) swear words being offensive to Christians, the reason is beyond obvious. The majority of English swear words originated in a time were Christianity was the most common (and indeed usually the State) religion and religions such as Judaism, Buddhism and Islam were the minority if indeed present at all.

I might add, my parents are both Christian and have never once raised any issue with the use of socialjeebus (also my email handle). I won't mention anyone's name on here but I have received private messages from Christians on this board apologising to me on your behalf.

I also don't understand how (in my case, based merely upon my username) you can be so judgemental as to whether I or others believe or disbelieve.

Please don't thank me, whilst I didn't set out to offend you (merely use the username I use on every other board) I'm doing this primarily because a mod requested me to. It's an incovenience but as I quite enjoy posting here (and I've benefited greatly from some of the stickies!) I'm incllined to think it's worth my while.

Finally, for future reference my new username (once activated) will be SeoulGerman.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a shame. Some people are overly sensitive. It doesn't seem offensive to me - just comical. What about the expression "... scared the bejesus outta me ... " as an example? Is that offensive. Will the politically intolerant speech committee keep expanding its reach - first to satisfy liberal and socialist groups, then racial and national groups, then conservative and religious groups - until it encompasses all entertainment, humor, politics and controversy?

This ID should not be prohibited - even though it is within Dave's free speech rights to do so - because sometimes we must all try to uphold the spirit of free speech and the USA's first amendment or it will be lost for all.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

socialjeebus wrote:
Seeing as Jesus (or Isa) is a very important prophet in the Islamic faith I don't see how you can make the assertion that Muslims wouldn't be similarly offended as Christians would.

Also my name is not actually meant to mock Christianity, it merely references on of my favourite Homer quotes from one of my favourite Simpsons episodes.

The jeebus part references the episode of the Simpsons in which Homer becomes a missionary on a tropical island to avoid the PBS goons (after failing to make a promised donation).

Having said that, I will be changing my ID (also at a mods request too) once I've selected an available, inoffensive moniker which I find appropriate. Though it must be said this is the first time I've ever had anyone consider it offensive (it's also the primary part of my email address).


FWIW, the requests to change your poster name are ridiculous. And the mods really do have better things to do.
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radcon



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philadelphia has a bus route called G- it is the G bus (Jeebus). Is this bus route also offensive to Christians?
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Some people are overly sensitive


Its not just this one poster. This has been quite a feature on here. for example:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=109062
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=37711
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3448

I mean really. Genuine religious debate is one thing but what makes you think its fine and dandy to repeatedly publicly ridicule the faith of millions?

ontheway wrote:
sometimes we must all try to uphold the spirit of free speech and the USA's first amendment or it will be lost for all.


A better idea would be upholding human dignity and consideration for others.
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