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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Good gawd that poor woman has so much plastic and silicon in her face!
Fake chin, fake lips, fake everything, covered in an inch of make-up!
Sad Korea feels it's so important to hide a singer's true looks. |
At what point did you decide that the actions of Bom Park represent the entirety of the Korean people? Have you ever bothered to look at how much makeup American performers use? Bom looks completely natural and human next to Snookie and Kim Kardashian. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Good gawd that poor woman has so much plastic and silicon in her face!
Fake chin, fake lips, fake everything, covered in an inch of make-up!
Sad Korea feels it's so important to hide a singer's true looks. |
At what point did you decide that the actions of Bom Park represent the entirety of the Korean people? Have you ever bothered to look at how much makeup American performers use? Bom looks completely natural and human next to Snookie and Kim Kardashian. |
snookie and Kim hide behind make up.
Korean female and male celebrities hide behind the knife!
big difference. |
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strange_brew
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| On a whole, there is far more plastic surgery here in Korea than in the US. Snookie and Kim Kardashian are both terrible, but Bom Park is hideous as well. Also, I see many of my high school students already starting their plastic surgery. We just had graduation, and some of the older sisters and moms looked like aliens with their giant eyes and shaved cheeks. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Good gawd that poor woman has so much plastic and silicon in her face!
Fake chin, fake lips, fake everything, covered in an inch of make-up!
Sad Korea feels it's so important to hide a singer's true looks. |
At what point did you decide that the actions of Bom Park represent the entirety of the Korean people? Have you ever bothered to look at how much makeup American performers use? Bom looks completely natural and human next to Snookie and Kim Kardashian. |
At what point did YOU decide that my post meant the entire Korean population, rather than the entertainment industry in Korea?
You are really slipping, Madoka.
The major difference between plastic surgery in the American entertainment industry and the Korean industry is that American entertainers generally get surgery to KEEP their looks (old age). Koreans in the industry get it to CREATE their looks. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand what's so "new" about these Korean pop groups.
Catchy? Sure. Fashionable? Sure. Cute? Definitely.
New? No.
We had The Backstreet Boys and The Spice Girls back in the 90s. People liked them, then it got old and now music has moved on. Other than being Korean, I don't see how these boy/girl groups are any different.
I also don't think boy/girl bands are ever going to get popular in North America again because that fad ended more than a decade ago. I can't imagine anyone wanting it back.
I can see why Korean culture goes nuts over the manufactured, beautiful marionette dolls but I don't think there is any room for it elsewhere.
I just saw this as an example of Americans thinking: "let's see what people in Asia are doing... Oh, I see. Alright then, moving on..." |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
I don't understand what's so "new" about these Korean pop groups.
Catchy? Sure. Fashionable? Sure. Cute? Definitely.
New? No.
We had The Backstreet Boys and The Spice Girls back in the 90s. People liked them, then it got old and now music has moved on. Other than being Korean, I don't see how these boy/girl groups are any different.
I also don't think boy/girl bands are ever going to get popular in North America again because that fad ended more than a decade ago. I can't imagine anyone wanting it back.
I can see why Korean culture goes nuts over the manufactured, beautiful marionette dolls but I don't think there is any room for it elsewhere.
I just saw this as an example of Americans thinking: "let's see what people in Asia are doing... Oh, I see. Alright then, moving on..." |
Yeah that's probably it. It's only new to the degree that the faces are Asian. There really hasn't been a big Asian crossover sensation yet, so people might be a little curious.
But then they hear the product...
"Huh? Re-hashed teeny-bop circa 1995? Really? Hey, turn down the volume, I just wanna see some legs." |
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sjp
Joined: 19 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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From http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/dswills/2012/02/korean-wave-hits-america/
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If you are presently living in the United States of America then I hardly need to tell you that on January 31st, 2012, your nation was struck by the full force of this Korean Wave (although by this time, having gathered pace in its consumption of China, Japan, and most other nations, it might be more aptly described as a Korean Tsunami).
Of course, there had been early warnings. Baby Korean Waves had been lapping upon the shore for years, carrying away only the youngest and most vulnerable, and posing no significant threat to America as a nation. Consequently, these early warning signs were ignored. |
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dtown
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: |
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You don't get why they put English lyrics in K-pop do you? A huge part of it is to make the singers appear more international in the eyes of the local fans. So, you can imagine that releasing an album of English songs in the US is the ultimate sign of success, regardless of whether it bombs or not. |
no we get it.
cross over stars, like glory estafan, Ricky martin, Marc Anthony, etc..
they sing in Spanish, and make it big on the spanish charts, and win latin grammys etc.. there is a HUGE hispanic community in the united states for them to grow. even enrique iglesias who is American uses the latin charts and sings in spanish.
now his father julio yes, he made a very good living singing in English.
they are proud of their spanish heritage, but they first market to Latinos and sing as latinos,
then they become latin Americans, as all of them moved to the states in their teens or were born there.
which singers in America are total foreigners and doing very well singing in English as a second language and are still saying they are foreigners? |
Shakira? Obviously the huge Hispanic population in the U.S. helps Spanish-speaking singers in the U.S., but I also think it has a lot to do with the accent. Spanish-speakers speaking English is considered very sexy. However, Korean-speakers speaking English is not sexy at all. Their accent in English kind of makes them sound like they have Down's Syndrome (nothing wrong with that). It is extremely difficult for Koreans to correctly pronounce the R and L, and words with the RL sound are pretty much impossible. I've never met a Korean (even if they've lived in America for a long time) who can pronounce "girl" without any accent.
And on the flip-side, it is extremely difficult for me to get the Korean pronunciation of anything right! I think the American pronunciation of English uses a lot more muscles, flexed a lot harder, than Korean.  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| dtown wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
You don't get why they put English lyrics in K-pop do you? A huge part of it is to make the singers appear more international in the eyes of the local fans. So, you can imagine that releasing an album of English songs in the US is the ultimate sign of success, regardless of whether it bombs or not. |
no we get it.
cross over stars, like glory estafan, Ricky martin, Marc Anthony, etc..
they sing in Spanish, and make it big on the spanish charts, and win latin grammys etc.. there is a HUGE hispanic community in the united states for them to grow. even enrique iglesias who is American uses the latin charts and sings in spanish.
now his father julio yes, he made a very good living singing in English.
they are proud of their spanish heritage, but they first market to Latinos and sing as latinos,
then they become latin Americans, as all of them moved to the states in their teens or were born there.
which singers in America are total foreigners and doing very well singing in English as a second language and are still saying they are foreigners? |
Shakira? Obviously the huge Hispanic population in the U.S. helps Spanish-speaking singers in the U.S., but I also think it has a lot to do with the accent. Spanish-speakers speaking English is considered very sexy. However, Korean-speakers speaking English is not sexy at all. Their accent in English kind of makes them sound like they have Down's Syndrome (nothing wrong with that). It is extremely difficult for Koreans to correctly pronounce the R and L, and words with the RL sound are pretty much impossible. I've never met a Korean (even if they've lived in America for a long time) who can pronounce "girl" without any accent.
And on the flip-side, it is extremely difficult for me to get the Korean pronunciation of anything right! I think the American pronunciation of English uses a lot more muscles, flexed a lot harder, than Korean. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-HkQfyipzA
What accent is Tiffany and Jessica speaking there?
Horrible Korean English??
Would it surprise you that both of them are born and raised AMERICAN? |
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dtown
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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I was talking about native Korean-speakers speaking English. It has absolutely nothing to do with Korean-Americans, who can obviously speak English well. You don't think the Korean accent, when KOREANS speak English, is problematic for singers trying to break into the American market?
I obviously struck a nerve with you, most likely because of the Down's Syndrome comment, but I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way. It is merely something I have observed, having a close family friend with Down's and teaching English to Korean students.
I am Korean-American, by the way. And, I enjoy a lot of Korean music (mostly Hip-Hop). But I much prefer listening to it in Korean, than listening to the way most Koreans pronounce English. Personally, it is too distracting for me. |
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