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sbp59
Joined: 01 Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere in SK
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 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: Korea International School |
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Any teachers have experience working for one of these schools? I would be interested in hearing about your experience at KIS.
They have 3 locations in Korea with a new one on Jeju Island.
PM me if you like or just reply on here. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Korea International School |
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| sbp59 wrote: |
Any teachers have experience working for one of these schools? I would be interested in hearing about your experience at KIS.
They have 3 locations in Korea with a new one on Jeju Island.
PM me if you like or just reply on here. |
KIS Bundang was top-notch (I had friends working there in 2006- . Great facilities, good staff and the management wasn't too bad (from a teacher's viewpoint). The remuneration package was far better than any EFL job.
The students were largely Korean kids with overseas experience and were a bit spoiled.
I don't know anything about the other 2.
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FMPJ
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
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sbp59
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Location: Somewhere in SK
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| FMPJ wrote: |
| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
Which location are you referring to? |
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FMPJ
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| sbp59 wrote: |
| FMPJ wrote: |
| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
Which location are you referring to? |
Sorry, I only know about the original one. |
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Chaucer
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| FMPJ wrote: |
| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
Unfortunately those problems will likely never be resolved as the teachers (and counselor) turn over every two years or so--due to that international school teacher ethos of "see the world" in which the ideal is either Bangkok, where the US$40k/year provides maid, driver, etc., or Paris, where, well obviously. Korea soon tires, for such teachers, I bet. |
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Chaucer
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| FMPJ wrote: |
| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
Unfortunately those problems will likely never be resolved as the teachers (and counselor) turn over every two years or so--due to that international school teacher ethos of "see the world" in which the ideal is either Bangkok, where the US$40k/year provides maid, driver, etc., or Paris, where, well obviously. Korea soon tires, for such teachers, I bet. |
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Chaucer
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: Degrees |
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| And check out the many teachers on the KIS website who proudly list their "MA" from the University of Phoenix, Monash, Capella, etc.! Not to be snooty but come on. |
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FMPJ
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaucer wrote: |
| FMPJ wrote: |
| KIS is getting better. Still awful college counseling and many dead weight teachers, but kids are improving every year and facilities are great (deep pockets). |
Unfortunately those problems will likely never be resolved as the teachers (and counselor) turn over every two years or so--due to that international school teacher ethos of "see the world" in which the ideal is either Bangkok, where the US$40k/year provides maid, driver, etc., or Paris, where, well obviously. Korea soon tires, for such teachers, I bet. |
There's some truth to this, but I think a contributing factor is international schools' insistence on teaching credentials--the pool of credentialed teachers has some overlap with the pool of awesome teachers, to be sure, but if you limit it to credentialed teachers who are rootless enough or adventurous enough to travel around the world, the happy part of that Venn diagram rapidly withers. That said, SIS seems to have at least several competent teachers, and SFS even has a few. |
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wallythewhale
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| They're horrible in regards to communication. |
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iggyb
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| many dead weight teachers |
This pretty much sums up what every professor in my MA education department said was the problem in American schools...
I'm ambivalent about it now.
I noticed even then that these profs had spent hardly any time teaching in the schools. What little time they did do was primarily while they were also in graduate school working toward the PhD - with their studies probably dominating their attention...
Each year, fresh faced and young teachers hit the schools - those who didn't pick another profession after facing student-teaching as they finished their degree - and they are energetic and innovative* and ready to change education as we've known it - for the better, of course.
5-10 years later, few of them are still around in education. Fewer still are in the classroom - others have moved into specialty areas that require fewer teaching hours or full class teaching....
I've gotten to where I talk about adequate teachers - instead of good or bad.
Unless you are sitting in a person's class day in and day out, you really don't know how they are. You can get an idea here and there. But, you don't really know well. With that limited amount of information, when you expand to comparing them???
There are certainly bad teachers who stick in the profession. Every teacher can improve and needs to avoid getting stuck in a rut. But, the vast majority are broadly adequate...Few rise consistently above that...
(I put a * beside innovative, because innovation isn't always good. New teachers do a lot of trial-and-error, finding routines that work well for them in the classes they face. Naturally, over time, they tend to stick to things that have worked and do less trial-and-error.
For sure, some veteran teachers get to where they stick to easy and ineffective things like easy to grade handouts and other busy work, but just because a teacher is not trying a whole lot of new things and isn't "innovating" doesn't mean they are teaching poorly. Nor does trying a whole lot of new things and being terrible at molding them to fit classes well make you a good teacher.) |
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