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Does facial hair make a difference?
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toadkillerdog



Joined: 11 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon. ROK

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would anyone care what Koreans think about facial hair? As a foreigner you will NEVER be accepted as part of Korean society anyway.
I've been here since 1998 and have had a beard the whole time. I keep it (and my general appearance neat and trim). It has never been an issue and I wouldn't care if it was.
My advice: accept those parts of the culture you are comfortable with, be polite and respectful, reject those parts of the culture you are not comfortable with, do your job in a professional manner and enjoy your stay.
To shave or not to shave? Who cares? Do what you want.
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FurballPete



Joined: 08 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry to bring up an ageing thread, but I would rather not create a new one for such a well discussed topic.

I understand that Koreans, and understandably employers in particular, tend to look unfavourably upon men with beards, but does this include designer stubble?

I ask because I generally wear a light stubble to appear slightly older, I tend to look very young without it and am trying to weigh up the advantages and disadvantages of continuing this style once in Korea, i.e. positive: Will look older, and presumably be treated with more respect, negative: will look less smart.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I tend to wear just less than this: http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/07/48/550x600_jake_gyllenhaal_5.jpg
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pikadoopoo



Joined: 19 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Are you in Korea? If not, I suggest shaving for your resume picture and (skype) interviews just to be safe. After that, you can grow your stubble out and see how your employers react. If you've ever seen Korean resume pictures, they're really squeaky clean.

Neat/designer facial hair is becoming more common these days though.
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corinthian wrote:
I heard a ton of stuff on this board about how Koreans hate beards. Then I grew one and received nothing but positive responses. My kids at school love it. The Koreans at my Muay Thai gym love it. Some of my student's parents have complimented it. One random Korean guy on the subway told me he knew I had many girlfriends, because my beard was a sign of virility. (Ok, he didn't know the word virility, but he used some very emphatic pantomime.) And in general I've found that I just plain get treated better by Koreans, which may be because my beard makes me look much older.

Here's my theory: first of all, you have to be able to actually grow a beard. Lots of guys think that a few scraggly hairs qualifies, but it doesn't. Second, it needs to be well groomed. I trim mine every week, never let it get too long, and shave my neck/upper lip/cheekbones every couple days. Regardless, if your employer wants to shave it, you should probably do so. I told my co-teacher I'd shave if the bosses wanted me to, but they've never asked me.


This is true in my own experience. I worked my first 2 and half years here without a beard and was not treated with as much respect as my next two 2 years with a beard. If you are wearing a suit and have a beard no one will think it is poor and dirty.
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone here under the age of 50, other than fromtheuk, worn one longer than three inches? If so, how was it received at work and also by the public and the ladies?
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lonestarteacher



Joined: 09 Jan 2011
Location: Suncheon

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
Has anyone here under the age of 50, other than fromtheuk, worn one longer than three inches? If so, how was it received at work and also by the public and the ladies?


Mine's probably that long. I've had a couple kids touch it when i was bent over working with another student. My sister-in-law's mom (native Korean) isn't a fan. One of my kids makes it a point every class to say that "it's too too long". Doesn't offend me and I just smile and keep going. I've only been here a month though so haven't had a year's worth of experiences like some. My boss doesn't mind it and hasn't said anything. I keep my neck clean shaven too and I do a damn good job in the classroom so that might have something to do with it.
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Gregski



Joined: 02 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking into Korea attitudes toward beards, trying to decide if I should shave mine before going over there next month. I think I'm going to keep it. The responses in the various threads on this board seem to be of two varieties:

1.) Koreans hate beards. All of them. If you wear one, they will think you are a homeless drug addict. Women also hate them. All of them. If they say otherwise, they're only being nice. Believe me, I know everything about Korea, and wearing a beard is an instant signal that you are a dirty foreigner who is probably about to become violent.

2.) It's not a big deal. As long as it's well-groomed and neat, it shouldn't be a problem. If you are a Korean trying to get a corporate job, you might want to shave it, but since you're a Westerner teaching, it's not quite the same. Some women will like it, some won't. Like anywhere else in the world.

The second kind seems the most reasonable. Razz
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Guajiro



Joined: 04 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregski wrote:
I've been looking into Korea attitudes toward beards, trying to decide if I should shave mine before going over there next month. I think I'm going to keep it. The responses in the various threads on this board seem to be of two varieties:

1.) Koreans hate beards. All of them. If you wear one, they will think you are a homeless drug addict. Women also hate them. All of them. If they say otherwise, they're only being nice. Believe me, I know everything about Korea, and wearing a beard is an instant signal that you are a dirty foreigner who is probably about to become violent.

2.) It's not a big deal. As long as it's well-groomed and neat, it shouldn't be a problem. If you are a Korean trying to get a corporate job, you might want to shave it, but since you're a Westerner teaching, it's not quite the same. Some women will like it, some won't. Like anywhere else in the world.

The second kind seems the most reasonable. Razz


When I wore a beard my students would say "Teacher, your face is dirty. Cut your face!" I think they were kind of joking, but kind of not.

One day I showed them pictures of Brad Pitt with a beard and George Clooney with a beard and asked the students if their faces were dirty. The students said "No, they are rich and handsome."

Maybe only the wealthy can be accepted with facial hair. That said, I never got any negative response from my employer or the students' parents.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
Beards are generally seen as being dirty.

They think that people who can't shave have an unkempt appearance, that of someone too poor to afford a razor and a bathroom (homeless) or they're someone who wants to hide their identity (sexual predators).

People that tell you that the Brad Pitt gruff or whatever is trendy and sexy (the George Michael look state before) are oblivious to the people around them making disgusted looks.


So, when will they shave the facial hair of the dirty men that they have on their money?

And, when will Korean men start having long hair again as they did traditionally for 1000's of years before the Japanese came and cut their hair off? I am correct that the Japanese occupation is over, aren't I?

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zombiedog



Joined: 03 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a fisherman once with a very nice, very full big beard. He reminded me of someone out of a Hemingway novel. It was the first time I'd seen a Korean with such a beard.

I usually shave once every 3 or 4 days, so by the time I shave I get all sorts of tongue-in-cheek "teacher dirty" comments. And then I shave and I get a lot of "Oh wow teacher is young" comments like I was resurrected or something.

I don't care. Sometimes you have to trust Koreans enough to just FN deal with it.
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