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Are SMOE Middle and High School NETs getting laid off?
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Are SMOE Middle and High School NETs getting laid off? Reply with quote

Is SMOE not renewing contracts for all middle and high school teachers from Sep. 2012? I heard something about this earlier this week.

Have all you people working for SMOE been told by your schools this week that your contract is finished from September?
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posnew



Joined: 08 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that SMOE was starting to reduce the number of schools starting with high schools and next semester it will continue with middle schools.
I know a SMOE teacher who had his contract end this spring at a high school and got transfered, because the school has lost its funding.
It seems like teachers can still renew, but they may be transfered if they do.
But then I also know they they have an international high school where teachers are still working. So maybe some special schools are keeping NSETs where they rest are getting transfered or just not renewing.
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wallythewhale



Joined: 12 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. No more NSETs in HS starting March. No more in MS starting August. And possibly no more in ES starting next March.

I'm working for an ES at the moment and am looking for a job elsewhere. Heard Hong Kong is fabulous!
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wallythewhale wrote:
Heard Hong Kong is fabulous!


Fabulously expensive. The jobs are simultaneously lucrative. A fine balancing act.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup... It is an employers market for another few years.
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jurassic82



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is old news. I work for SMOE and it is true no more NET for High Schools and I am guessing Middle Schools come fall. I am not sure yet how much truth there is to all NET being cut from middle schools. There is an election this fall and things could change. From my 5+ years here in the "Land of the Morning Calm" is that things are less than calm. They will say one thing one week and change the next.

I really don't see all the public schools in Seoul cutting all foriegn teachers, especially Elementary schools where in my opinion NET are the most effective. It makes more sense to cut them in High School where most of the students are trying to learn English to do well on their college exams. For this kind of studying foreign teachers make less sense because less time is needed on teaching speaking and more on grammar and test taking skills. I think this sucks but it is the way in most Korean High Schools and Middle Schools. I guess we'll have to wait and see but I see many elementary school and middle schools keeping foreign teachers but possibly they will have to get money from elsewhere in order to do it like with what happened with GEPIK.
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Luciddreamer



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wallythewhale wrote:
Indeed. No more NSETs in HS starting March. No more in MS starting August. And possibly no more in ES starting next March.


I think NSETs in elementary schools will stay put. I heard that those NSETs in high schools and middle schools will be pushed to vacant positions at elementary schools. If so, how would they compete with NSETs at elementary schools re-signing? Would they hire those with the best evaluation scores? (e.g. open classes, attendance, etc.)
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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especially Elementary schools where in my opinion NET are the most effective


It is more common - probably common - that elementary school FTs are given much less control of the classes. I know it is true at my school, and I've heard it from other FTs and read it online.

At minimum, that means the students have less contact with English in usage, because Korean teachers use Korean most of the time.

I don't think we are more effective in the elementary schools.

Elementary school is much better an age for acquiring a language, and it would make more sense to use FTs there and starting in 1st grade, but from what I've heard, they aren't using us effectively like that.
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jurassic82



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iggyb wrote:
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especially Elementary schools where in my opinion NET are the most effective


It is more common - probably common - that elementary school FTs are given much less control of the classes. I know it is true at my school, and I've heard it from other FTs and read it online.

At minimum, that means the students have less contact with English in usage, because Korean teachers use Korean most of the time.

I don't think we are more effective in the elementary schools.

Elementary school is much better an age for acquiring a language, and it would make more sense to use FTs there and starting in 1st grade, but from what I've heard, they aren't using us effectively like that.


If what you say is true and that many FTs aren't being used in the class effectively then I would totally agree with you. Myself and a lot of the other FT I know get a lot of control of their classroom and with designing lessons. All my coteachers during my three years at my public school usually spoke English during the whole class time except to explain some grammar that might have been really confusing for some of the students.

You are right though that many schools don't use FT effectively because of little or no training or Korean CoTeachers are stuck in their ways of teaching. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the coming year but I don't see them phasing out FT in public schools completely. Maybe reducing the number for schools that may think they could use the money elsewhere. Anyways, I like what you said about aquisition. It is seldom I ever read an intelligent comment like that on this forum.
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What level school do you teach at?

From what I've read and heard, Korean elementary school teachers tend to keep control of the class whereas in middle and high school they tend to stand back and let the FT do as he or she likes.

I've also rarely read someone say the Korean teacher uses English most of the time when teaching.

In my case in elementary school, they give me 10-20 minutes per class (1/2 to 1/3rd of the class time). 1 teacher interfered and limited what I could do to a great extent. With both, I have to stick to the limited material the textbook offers each lesson. No room for outside material or projects that take up multiple classes. Both of my CTs use Korean 98% of the time.
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ironclad80



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about GEPIK? First I heard they will get more funds for NETs in the fall, then I heard they won't. I think my school knows about as much as me. I wish I could get an answer, I feel stuck in limbo now, don't know if I should start looking for another job now or prepare to stay for another year....
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an election at the end of the year. The schools don't know what is going to happen season to season right now.
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ironclad80



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iggyb wrote:
There is an election at the end of the year. The schools don't know what is going to happen season to season right now.


Do you mean the school year? I'm waiting for an answer regarding the Fall semester of this year...
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the regular year. I believe the election will be held in December. If the opposition wins the presidency, we can expect a big rollback in the current administration's education policy, and getting a FT in every school was a major part of his early policy when he took office 5 years ago.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luciddreamer wrote:
wallythewhale wrote:
Indeed. No more NSETs in HS starting March. No more in MS starting August. And possibly no more in ES starting next March.


I think NSETs in elementary schools will stay put. I heard that those NSETs in high schools and middle schools will be pushed to vacant positions at elementary schools. If so, how would they compete with NSETs at elementary schools re-signing? Would they hire those with the best evaluation scores? (e.g. open classes, attendance, etc.)

Doubt it. That's all smoke, mirrors, and favoritism anyway.

It's SMOE: anything could happen.
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