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madoka



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Beer makers sued for alcoholism Reply with quote

An American Indian tribe sued some of the world's largest beer makers Thursday, claiming they knowingly contributed to devastating alcohol-related problems on South Dakota's Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

The Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota said it is demanding $500 million in damages for the cost of health care, social services and child rehabilitation caused by chronic alcoholism on the reservation, which encompasses some of the nation's most impoverished counties.

The suit filed in United States District Court of Nebraska also names four beer stores in Whiteclay, a Nebraska town near the reservation that, despite having only about a dozen residents, sold nearly five million cans of beer in 2010. The suit names Anheuser-Busch InBev Worldwide, SABMiller, Molson Coors Brewing Company, MillerCoors LLC and Pabst Brewing Company.

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To take it to the next step, NETs need to band together to sue soju companies, hakwons, the Korean government and all Koreans for making them drunks.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once, I knowingly contributed to my own alcohol-related problems by choosing to drink too much beer.

So, I decided to sue myself.

I'm also looking to sue the makers of 'beer goggles' if I can find them.
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alwaysgood



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't they be suing the liquor companies instead? Or the makers of Thunderbird wine? It's hard for a full blown alcoholic to get to their happy place on just beer.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, while I am not sure if I agree, I understand the point of view being presented by the Oglala Sioux authorities. After all, it is well known that certain Native Americans such as the Sioux tend to have very serious chronic problems with alcoholism.

Why that is the case is up for debate. But I would imagine that genetic and cultural factors could both be blamed (they never had alcohol in their tribal history until being introduced to it by white Americans).

Anyways, alcohol is often banned from being sold on Native American reservations. Without knowing more, I would imagine that this is probably a case where there was a beer store located just off of the reservation in a remote area (in other words, 99% of the store's customers would likely be Sioux). If that is the case, then I can understand why the Sioux authorities would be upset that someone is deliberately enabling alcoholism among some of the Sioux while making a profit on it at the same time.
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northway



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
Anyways, alcohol is often banned from being sold on Native American reservations. Without knowing more, I would imagine that this is probably a case where there was a beer store located just off of the reservation in a remote area (in other words, 99% of the store's customers would likely be Sioux). If that is the case, then I can understand why the Sioux authorities would be upset that someone is deliberately enabling alcoholism among some of the Sioux while making a profit on it at the same time.


You nailed it, based on what I've read elsewhere.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Native Americans have been taken advantage of since the arrival of the Europeans. It is really sad the way the indigenous population has been treated through out history. This sounds like the people who sued McDonalds because their kids got fat. They blamed it on the way McDonalds was deliberately targeting people and knowingly creating a menu that is bad for your health but was designed to handle your entire diet. I feel that if it can be proven that these companies deliberately established stores and programs to target Native American alcoholics and take advantage of their disease and contribute to it further, they might have a case.

That being said, I find it interesting that it's not ok to open a liquor store near a reservation because it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming alcoholics. But it is ok to open a casino on the reservation so it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming gambling addicts.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
Native Americans have been taken advantage of since the arrival of the Europeans. It is really sad the way the indigenous population has been treated through out history. This sounds like the people who sued McDonalds because their kids got fat. They blamed it on the way McDonalds was deliberately targeting people and knowingly creating a menu that is bad for your health but was designed to handle your entire diet. I feel that if it can be proven that these companies deliberately established stores and programs to target Native American alcoholics and take advantage of their disease and contribute to it further, they might have a case.

That being said, I find it interesting that it's not ok to open a liquor store near a reservation because it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming alcoholics. But it is ok to open a casino on the reservation so it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming gambling addicts.


Perhaps, eating unhealthy food such as McDonald's is addictive, but in order for it to be a comparable example, you should determine whether or not it creates divisions within families and leads to undesirable behavior that de rely limits opportunities in life. Anyways, I suspect that we can conclude that the rate of chronic alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations than is chronic unhealthy eating among Americans (speaking in general).

As for gambling, this is actually a somewhat more comparable example but only for a certain segment of the American population. Still, I would argue that when comparing affected percentages of both populations, alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations. Also, are there casinos on the Oglala Sioux reservation?
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
jrwhite82 wrote:
Native Americans have been taken advantage of since the arrival of the Europeans. It is really sad the way the indigenous population has been treated through out history. This sounds like the people who sued McDonalds because their kids got fat. They blamed it on the way McDonalds was deliberately targeting people and knowingly creating a menu that is bad for your health but was designed to handle your entire diet. I feel that if it can be proven that these companies deliberately established stores and programs to target Native American alcoholics and take advantage of their disease and contribute to it further, they might have a case.

That being said, I find it interesting that it's not ok to open a liquor store near a reservation because it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming alcoholics. But it is ok to open a casino on the reservation so it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming gambling addicts.


Perhaps, eating unhealthy food such as McDonald's is addictive, but in order for it to be a comparable example, you should determine whether or not it creates divisions within families and leads to undesirable behavior that de rely limits opportunities in life. Anyways, I suspect that we can conclude that the rate of chronic alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations than is chronic unhealthy eating among Americans (speaking in general).

As for gambling, this is actually a somewhat more comparable example but only for a certain segment of the American population. Still, I would argue that when comparing affected percentages of both populations, alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations. Also, are there casinos on the Oglala Sioux reservation?


Aren't like 60% of Americans overweight and/or obese? I am not sure but I think less than 60% of NA are alcoholics. I wonder who will live longer. An alcoholic or an obese person who eats and McDonalds too often.

There is a Casino at the reservation. http://www.prairiewindcasino.com/ And it just received a $20,000,000 overhaul and 78 room hotel 5 years ago. It was just a couple of doublewides slapped together before apparently.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
Konglishman wrote:
jrwhite82 wrote:
Native Americans have been taken advantage of since the arrival of the Europeans. It is really sad the way the indigenous population has been treated through out history. This sounds like the people who sued McDonalds because their kids got fat. They blamed it on the way McDonalds was deliberately targeting people and knowingly creating a menu that is bad for your health but was designed to handle your entire diet. I feel that if it can be proven that these companies deliberately established stores and programs to target Native American alcoholics and take advantage of their disease and contribute to it further, they might have a case.

That being said, I find it interesting that it's not ok to open a liquor store near a reservation because it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming alcoholics. But it is ok to open a casino on the reservation so it will attract the people nearby and contribute to them becoming gambling addicts.


Perhaps, eating unhealthy food such as McDonald's is addictive, but in order for it to be a comparable example, you should determine whether or not it creates divisions within families and leads to undesirable behavior that limits opportunities in life. Anyways, I suspect that we can conclude that the rate of chronic alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations than is chronic unhealthy eating among Americans (speaking in general).

As for gambling, this is actually a somewhat more comparable example but only for a certain segment of the American population. Still, I would argue that when comparing affected percentages of both populations, alcoholism is a much more serious problem among Native Americans living on the reservations. Also, are there casinos on the Oglala Sioux reservation?


Aren't like 60% of Americans overweight and/or obese? I am not sure but I think less than 60% of NA are alcoholics. I wonder who will live longer. An alcoholic or an obese person who eats and McDonalds too often.

There is a Casino at the reservation. http://www.prairiewindcasino.com/ And it just received a $20,000,000 overhaul and 78 room hotel 5 years ago. It was just a couple of doublewides slapped together before apparently.


So, you really think that obesity and alcoholism are comparable problems??? Do obese people have problems keeping a job due to overeating? Do they get arrested for eating and driving? Do they become abusive to their family members due to eating too much?
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am saying that obese people do die an awful lot, which from personal experience, really hurts the family A LOT. (Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans) And I think that obese people do have a harder time finding and keeping work than people who are only overweight or normal weight. But we are getting off track here. I did have a friend who got pulled over for a DWE (Driving While Eating) but only because he swerved while trying to open his...you guessed it....Big Mac! The cop didn't arrest him or fine him though because a DWE is not illegal. Could be considered reckless driving perhaps though.

Again, I'm not saying that obesity is worse than alcoholism. Did I say that anywhere? But it is a serious problem. One that some 30% of Americans are LITERALLY carrying the burden of every day. I don't think that the only criteria for filing a lawsuit is that you need to rip families apart or limit opportunities in life.

I am saying that people sued McDonalds for targeting children with extremely unhealthy food. So therefore, if they could do it and be successful against McDonalds (if they wind up winning or settling for mega bucks), then these Native Americans should definitely have a case against the liquor distributors who are taking advantage of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63698,00.html

Then I'm also wondering if the gambling addicts who live near the reservation could sue the tribe if it turns out they are targeting them and making gambling accessible to them. (shuttle services, special promotions, etc...designed to bring them back again and again)
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Beer makers sued for alcoholism Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
The suit filed in United States District Court of Nebraska also . . .


Anybody can file a suit. The trick is getting it past a motion for summary judgment. As we can all see, this suit is almost certainly frivolous, absent supporting facts, such as these beer companies going to extraordinary lengths to break laws and distribute to minors.

I hope nobody is lured into madoka's extreme defense attorney bias here.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. I don't think it's frivilous at all. I think it has some merit. Enough to win? I doubt it. But some merit, for sure.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Beer makers sued for alcoholism Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
madoka wrote:
The suit filed in United States District Court of Nebraska also . . .


Anybody can file a suit. The trick is getting it past a motion for summary judgment. As we can all see, this suit is almost certainly frivolous, absent supporting facts, such as these beer companies going to extraordinary lengths to break laws and distribute to minors.

I hope nobody is lured into madoka's extreme defense attorney bias here.


I agree. If the tribe can prove that the alcohol distributors, manufactuers and stores were deliberately targeting the sick and under age, they might have a chance. But absent any proof, it doesn't hold water.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Nope. I don't think it's frivilous at all. I think it has some merit. Enough to win? I doubt it. But some merit, for sure.


Care to actually explain your thoughts?

What are these possible merits you conceive of?

You allways do this, come into threads with heavy handed opinions and no explanation or rational fact to back them up.

Come on, give it a go, put some work in.
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akcrono



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there no personal responsibility anymore? I'd understand if people were forcing alcohol down people's throats or pushing it on children, but these are adults we're talking about; they're free to make their own decisions, both good and bad. If a certain segment of the population has trouble with alcohol, why aren't we doing something about THAT? If they're genetically predisposed to alcoholism more than the rest of the country, enact proper legislation. If it's due to poor conditions, we should get on that. Don't blame businesses who are giving people options.
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