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[Steelrails]

Right, so how many of you have worked in food delivery? You laugh at my assertion that extended delivery times are harmful to business.

How many of you have worked in the industry?

And please, don't try to BS me. I'll be able to sniff out a BSer.

Because if you had worked in the industry you would know that corporate clients are some of your most prized clients.

And you'd know that they aren't forgiving about late orders. And you'd know how much those corporate clients bring in each week.

Seriously, how many of you have worked in food delivery as a driver AND a manager? It's not a joke. No, they customers aren't lackadaisical about deliver times.

I have a question- If you can be so uptight about "the law", is it reasonable to see that some ordinary Joe's might be uptight about delivery times and fresh food?

You joke about this, but if you ever worked in the industry, you would know.

Put it this way- Are your hagwon parents easy going about your students' test scores dropping by 10%?

Didn't think so.
But if you all ran businesses I'd assume you'd have such a blase attitude toward a loss of at a minimum 20% of your business.

I've suggested an efficient reasonable alternative that attempts to address all solutions. I've pointed out the logistical flaws in "Strict enforcement". I've detailed through mathematics how there is a significant effect on delivery times through a strict enforcement policy. I've shown how there are corporate policies and physical considerations concerning the delivery of foods such as pizza and fried chicken.

All you guys have basically said is "Steelrails, you're so full of it. You're examples are ridiculous" Show me some math and some understanding of the industry rather than "Scooter- Noisy and annoying"

Please, show me franchise delivery policy that says delivery times above 45 minutes are acceptable. Please, show my how food such as pizza and chicken doesn't diminish in quality past 45 minutes after being pulled from the oven and sitting in a cardboard box.

So instead of attacking me, please show some insight into the industry. Use some math. Good math. Show me some corporate policies.

Oh that's right. You can't dance around 45 -1Hr pizza being 45minute-1hour pizza. It's lukewarm and congealed. And guess what? People don't want to pay for lukewarm congealed delivery pizza.

As for those who think I'm being hyperbolic about the calamity facing noodle store owners, I offer the following sic et non-

True or false, there are food establishments in Seoul that cater primarily to delivery customers

True or false- Food quality is significantly affected by the amount of time it is left to stand after it has been cooked

True or false- customers are highly sensitive to food delivery times

True or false- It is corporate policy of food delivery franchises to monitor delivery times and promote fast deliver times.

True or false- franchises are often subject to corporate customer service standards

True or false- A strict delivery policy would result in significantly reduced delivery times

True or false- corporate orders represent a significant portion of food delivery income

True or false- corporate customers are highly sensitive to timely delivery

True or false- Corporate customers can be the margin between profitability and zero gain or even loss

True or false- Business which are not profitable or lose money run are likely to close down

True or false- Business owners which lose their business as a direct result of an ordinance are likely to become agitated and politically active due to that ordinance

True or false- Operating and opening a business represents a significant financial investment

True or false- Unfortunate financial results in that business could cause disastrous financial results for the people operating that business, particularly if it was caused by a sudden change in ordinances.

And here is the rub-

10 people dead out of 20 million as a result of some action is sufficient reason to engage in legislative action banning that practice. Be careful.

But yeah, I'm full of exaggeration and hysteria, not logic and experience in the industry.


But you're right. After all your kind of logic worked great with Prohibition. It saves lives. All you need is strict enforcement.

[PatrickGHBusan]

SR's reply is long, painful to read but on many levels accurate. In the long marathon that is the reading of his response, a few solid points are made, namely how some people on here are talking out of their buttholes when it comes to food delivery.

I can cite one tiny example. The Hakwon I worked for in Busan years ago had roughly 25 teachers on staff (Korean and Foreign) + admin staff so about 35 people. Every week they ordered food for the entire staff for lunch. They tended to order from 2 places, alternating between the two.

The noddle place was chosen more often as they offered soups as well.

The order was placed and expected to be warm when it got there. Thats a big damn order for a restaurant. Well that particular place was late twice and the school took its business elsewhere. How late were they? 10 minutes off the usual 30 min delivery time. End of story for that place.

Now I worked in restaurants for 10 years to pay for my undergrad. It was a good paying job and the place I worked at did deliver. It was highly competitive and delivery time was a critical issue. So it cannot be ignored or brushed aside! Heck people who order food want their food to arrive FAST and to be HOT. In Korea, scooters carry the bulk of delivery food as they are faster than cars due to traffic.

Just sayin....

[diver]

True or False: Steelrails is the master of the slippery slope fallacy?

[Captain Corea]

So now you're calling me a liar, SR? Well, I have worked for food delivery companies both here and back home....something you're not able to say.

And so far, I'm the only one that has posted up any evidence of delivery times in Korea. And how them being delayed did not cause those companies to go out of business.

Your logic is flawed because you have tunnel vision. Here's where you're wrong in your assertions..

-not all delivery places/services are food based
-drivers do not drive on the sidewalk only because of traffic congestion
-45 minutes is not THE ABSOLUTE STANDARD in delivery
-a limitation in range does not equal a business going under...nor necessarily a shrunken client base
-enforcing existing laws does not need to be taken to every asinine extreme
-politicians are not impeached/removed from office every time they take an initiative that may not sit well with some

[Koharski]

Enough. This thread is not about your experiences in the food service business.

And the personal insults end or the thread will be pulled for review by the Mod Team.

Koharski

[Adam Carolla]

[Steelrails]

Adam, all restaurants are not located equally. There isn't a perfectly even distribution of restaurants in Seoul and the streets aren't organized in some sort of mathematical grid.

The rising tide will affect different restaurants in a different manner. They will not be equally affected.

And as for it only being 3 minutes, I showed, mathematically, how deliver times would be affected.

Let's assume that it takes a scooter 1-2 minutes to go 1 block in heavy traffic by using the sidewalk. Now let's assume it takes a car 5 minutes to go 1 block in heavy traffic. I think we can agree that this would be the amount of time it takes to go a block in heavy Seoul traffic.

Now let's assume that 45 minutes or less is a target delivery time and that after 45 minutes customers start to complain. I believe this is a reasonable conclusion given Korean eating habits, observed behavior eating in restaurants, and observed behavior when ordering delivery. I also base this on the effects of time on food such as pizza and chicken after it has been pulled from the oven.

You could cover around 20 blocks by driving on the sidewalk. You could cover less than half that driving on the street.

Now, it's not "just 3 minutes". Mathematics has shown that it's significantly more.

[Captain Corea]

[PatrickGHBusan]

I think you two (SR and Captain) should take this to pm....seriously guys you are debating the inner workings of food delivery and scooters on sidewalks!!!

Take a step back, consider this for a second and try not to laugh.

[Captain Corea]

Let me be clear - I could give a toss about the inner workings of food delivery. I did not bring it up, and I have little interest in discussing it here.

I posted the OP about the police enforcing the law and my support of it. I don't think motorcycles need to drive on sidewalks (especially in the manner in which i see them do most days), I fear for my and my family's safety, and I think there are other solutions for this.

[diver]

[Captain Corea]

You forgot to add the math.

[PatrickGHBusan]

[diver]

[Steelrails]