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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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What I don't get is the attitude that you have to earn 2 - 10 times your
basic salary in order to be considered successful.
What is wrong with being happy to earn 2.1 and have some free time to do
other things during the day/week/month? |
A lot of the people posting big salaries on here are probably in the older age range when people's priorities change. Wife, kids, retirement plan, nice apartment with good furniture etc.. etc.. You just can't do that on 2.1 mil a month. |
I understand that some people need more money and I am glad that you and others have been successful at doing so, but I don't get why the need
to denegrate people who are happy to just earn their basic salary.
Why the need to call others "losers" because they have made different choices and have different priorities?
(and I'm not refering to you personally, it's more an attitude that permiates this thread) |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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[quote="saram_"][quote="PatrickGHBusan"][quote="saram_"]
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It has been simplified but you need permission from your employer and immigration. Also the second job needs to meet certain requirements in terms of hours and pay (has to be a teaching job of course). For PS teachers I think its more restrictive.
The second job needs to be legit of course! You cannot get permission to work on an illegal job  |
so is teaching at a kindergarten for four hours a week considered a satisfactory enough second job legally on an E2?
Just want to clarify that before approaching my main employer and immigration! |
Teaching English at a registered kindergarten is illegal for anyone including Koreans, F2's, F4's, F5's, F6's and E2's.
The difference for anyone except E2's is that they could claim they just work there, whereas an E2 couldn't do that. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Why the need to call others "losers" because they have made different choices and have different priorities?
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I think I answered that question back on page three. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| OK, you have, but others haven't. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="big_fella1"][quote="saram_"][quote="PatrickGHBusan"]
| saram_ wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| teatoast wrote: |
It has been simplified but you need permission from your employer and immigration. Also the second job needs to meet certain requirements in terms of hours and pay (has to be a teaching job of course). For PS teachers I think its more restrictive.
The second job needs to be legit of course! You cannot get permission to work on an illegal job |
so is teaching at a kindergarten for four hours a week considered a satisfactory enough second job legally on an E2?
Just want to clarify that before approaching my main employer and immigration! |
Teaching English at a registered kindergarten is illegal for anyone including Koreans, F2's, F4's, F5's, F6's and E2's.
The difference for anyone except E2's is that they could claim they just work there, whereas an E2 couldn't do that. |
So again, we are left with two different answers..
If permission is granted from both employer and immigration doesn't it become legal..?
Seems like a thorny issue.. Will pursue further anyway! |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| saram_ wrote: |
If permission is granted from both employer and immigration doesn't it become legal..? |
No. Teaching English at a registered kindergarten is illegal in Korea.
Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/03/117_82435.html
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/06/117_26122.html
Even if immigration approved the permission which I doubt, you are still breaking Education law.
If you have an F visa you could claim you were working in the kindergarten as a cleaner I guess, unless you actually have recognised early childhood teaching qualifications then you could work as a Korean teacher. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think you should also note that kindergarten is different from teaching kindy kids at a foreign language institute(FLI) which is legal.
If you get permission from your employer AND your employer is not a public school you can go to immigration and add the 2nd place of employment to your ARC.
You need:
-written permission from your school with the school director signature and the school's red-stamp (dojang).
-copy of your current contract
-new contract with new employer
-new employer business registration
-ARC
-passport
-application
-fee (60k won).
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, sounds pretty clear!
Thanks for the clarification... |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Which Education law? To be clear, are you talking about working at actual certified kindergartens, or the English hagwons referenced in the article?
By the way, at the hagwons referenced in the article (which I imagine people on this site refer to colloquially as "English Kindergartens," not under the pretense that they are actually working at a government-certified 유치원), there is no mention of employees being guilty of any crime. Rather, owners are not allowed to use the term 유치원 with the objective to mislead parents or make themselves appear as a government-certified kindergarten.
Please elaborate.
And by the way, I would like to see some evidence for this:
"It's illegal for any foreign national, even those with an E-2 visa, to work at an institute registered as kindergarten. Under Korean law, kindergartens are banned from providing English classes."
I would suspect people with dual citizenship, or even F visas, are not banned. Furthermore, English may not be an officially approved subject, but I don't believe that means English cannot be used. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| nate1983 wrote: |
Which Education law? To be clear, are you talking about working at actual certified kindergartens, or the English hagwons referenced in the article?
By the way, at the hagwons referenced in the article (which I imagine people on this site refer to colloquially as "English Kindergartens," not under the pretense that they are actually working at a government-certified 유치원), there is no mention of employees being guilty of any crime. Rather, owners are not allowed to use the term 유치원 with the objective to mislead parents or make themselves appear as a government-certified kindergarten.
Please elaborate.
And by the way, I would like to see some evidence for this:
"It's illegal for any foreign national, even those with an E-2 visa, to work at an institute registered as kindergarten. Under Korean law, kindergartens are banned from providing English classes."
I would suspect people with dual citizenship, or even F visas, are not banned. Furthermore, English may not be an officially approved subject, but I don't believe that means English cannot be used. |
Teaching English in kindergarten is illegal under the Early Childhood Education law. Source: http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/317869.html
The act isn't available online in English.
Now an F visa may not be busted for it, but it is illegal to teach any language other than Korean in a kindergarten. These laws apply to everyone including Korean citizens.
The post I responded to was someone talking about getting immigration permission to teach in a kindergarten. My response was to indicate that permission may not be forthcoming. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| FDNY wrote: |
[quote=\"edwardcatflap\"]
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What I don\\\'t get is the attitude that you have to earn 2 - 10 times your
basic salary in order to be considered successful.
What is wrong with being happy to earn 2.1 and have some free time to do
other things during the day/week/month? |
A lot of the people posting big salaries on here are probably in the older age range when people\\\'s priorities change. Wife, kids, retirement plan, nice apartment with good furniture etc.. etc.. You just can\\\'t do that on 2.1 mil a month. |
Exactly. Playtime ends when you have kids. I have a family to support. Twenty years of hagwons, school uniforms then university. I also have a roof to put over their heads and food to put on the table. I consider myself lucky because my wife works as well. Together we probably make about KRW8,500,000/month. If we are lucky, we can save 3,000,000/month. Considering pensions in Korea are nothing to speak of, this savings amount in entirely necessary. If you don\\\'t save for your own retirement in Korea, then you better be good at picking cardboard on the roads.[/quote]
I believe Canada and Korea have a treaty signed. So I will get something between the two countries. You have to have a minimum of 10 years total to qualify for pension. I guess whichever country I paid into the most will foot the bill and credit the other country. (Just don't cash out the pension unless it's only for a couple of years and you're going home for good.) Anyways, the pension won't be much. But I think the minimum in Canada is maybe 1000 bucks a month or more. (This includes old age suppliment and gauranteed income suppliment.) Basic CPP is less. My Korean document tells me if I work for 20 years, I'll get 600,000 won a month. Not much. But, better than nothing, I guess. |
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