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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
I did.
Before they posted the update.
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Update at 3:25 p.m. ET. It's Satirical, The Lawmaker Says:
Daniel Cherry of Mississippi Public Broadcasting just talked with Rep. Stephen Holland � the Democratic lawmaker who's getting a lot of attention for introducing a bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
Our original post � "Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says":
A Democratic member of Mississippi's state House has introduced legislation that would "for all official purposes within the State of Mississippi," change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
I did.
Before they posted the update.
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Update at 3:25 p.m. ET. It's Satirical, The Lawmaker Says:
Daniel Cherry of Mississippi Public Broadcasting just talked with Rep. Stephen Holland � the Democratic lawmaker who's getting a lot of attention for introducing a bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
Our original post � "Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says":
A Democratic member of Mississippi's state House has introduced legislation that would "for all official purposes within the State of Mississippi," change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
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Certainly proves Kuros' point now, huh? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
I did.
Before they posted the update.
| Quote: |
Update at 3:25 p.m. ET. It's Satirical, The Lawmaker Says:
Daniel Cherry of Mississippi Public Broadcasting just talked with Rep. Stephen Holland � the Democratic lawmaker who's getting a lot of attention for introducing a bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
Our original post � "Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says":
A Democratic member of Mississippi's state House has introduced legislation that would "for all official purposes within the State of Mississippi," change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
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Certainly proves Kuros' point now, huh? |
What was my point, exactly?
Sorry to pull the smug right out from under you. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
I did.
Before they posted the update.
| Quote: |
Update at 3:25 p.m. ET. It's Satirical, The Lawmaker Says:
Daniel Cherry of Mississippi Public Broadcasting just talked with Rep. Stephen Holland � the Democratic lawmaker who's getting a lot of attention for introducing a bill to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
Our original post � "Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says":
A Democratic member of Mississippi's state House has introduced legislation that would "for all official purposes within the State of Mississippi," change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
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Certainly proves Kuros' point now, huh? |
What was my point, exactly?
Sorry to pull the smug right out from under you. |
I don't know your point. Maybe you knew the legislator was being satirical. Maybe you were refuting Kuros' point.
I said it proves his point, which was that the concept of renaming bodies of water near the US would be considered ridiculous.
Edit: misread the nested quotes. I meant comm's point. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: ... |
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Further:
Koreans take a lot of flack on this board, but many may not know of the "ese" conspiracy!
Once upon an efl tour of duty, I was stationed in Taipei. A nice, good-natured student of mine came after class to ask, "Does -ese mean something bad? Because I heard that westerners named some places "-ese" when they didn't like them."
I said no. For example, people from Vienna are Viennese. Why would we not like people from Vienna (not that we don't like Chinese).
That was that, but my curiosity was piqued, so I started asking around...
I had a guy who, with trembling hands, could explain it country-by-country. We don't like the Vietnamese because of the war. The Koreans escaped because we supported their war, Japanese were bad because of WWII, etc...
I was like, but but but, the etymology of those terms goes wayyy back further than the 20th century.
Someone else said you can actually see proof of it in the dictionary. This has a kernel of truth, but you see how it all goes amiss. Go look at "-ese" and you find it refers to problematic language too difficult for many people to understand...as in "legalese", "computerese", or even "eslcafe-ese".
Doh! |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Further:
Koreans take a lot of flack on this board, but many may not know of the "ese" conspiracy!
Once upon an efl tour of duty, I was stationed in Taipei. A nice, good-natured student of mine came after class to ask, "Does -ese mean something bad? Because I heard that westerners named some places "-ese" when they didn't like them."
I said no. For example, people from Vienna are Viennese. Why would we not like people from Vienna (not that we don't like Chinese).
That was that, but my curiosity was piqued, so I started asking around...
I had a guy who, with trembling hands, could explain it country-by-country. We don't like the Vietnamese because of the war. The Koreans escaped because we supported their war, Japanese were bad because of WWII, etc...
I was like, but but but, the etymology of those terms goes wayyy back further than the 20th century.
Someone else said you can actually see proof of it in the dictionary. This has a kernel of truth, but you see how it all goes amiss. Go look at "-ese" and you find it refers to problematic language too difficult for many people to understand...as in "legalese", "computerese", or even "eslcafe-ese".
Doh! |
Do we have problems with the Taiwanese? |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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weso, yeah, I agree. But if they both chose to call it the sea of the other country, I imagine (perhaps idealisticaly) that whomever's name came first alphabetically wouldn't matter.
And to be fair to Korea, they did originally spell it with a 'C' both at home and internationally. |
Nope, the C and the K were interchangeable. If you bother to look it up, you can find postage stamps from the 1890's that clearly show that.
In any case, Korea is Cor�e in French. It's a very elegant feminine noun because of its curved C and final -�e. It's also evokes a certain amount of romanticism because the name is reminiscent of "coeur" (heart).
I've always found this quite ironic because Korean society tends to be quite paternalistic.
I think the name itself and the image it projects is part of the reason why Korean art, movies, and literature are somewhat popular in francophone nations.
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Well, how about the "Korea Strait" in the south? Apparently that naming convention is fine as long as it's named after them.
Do we hear similar complaints from Japan about the name of "Korea Strait"? I've never heard of that being controversial.
I don't care either way, but ... If one country gets a body of water with it's name on it, why can't the other have one too?
Compromise or nobody gets their name on anything!
(Sounds like a mom telling her kids to share or they get nothing.)
Either way, we'll just end up calling them whatever we want to in English anyway, and they can use their original names in their own language. Kind of weird to say "Change all your maps just for us because we don't like them." Uh, yeah, we'll get right on that... |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Uh...one French publisher used it. Kind of a misleading title, but Ok, technically that's an increase.
Korean groups are lobbying US legislators too so who knows what will happen eventually. If that's really how they want to spend their energy then whatever. Eventually the squeaky wheel gets some grease. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly I'm surprised the Russians haven't weighed in and either named it something Russian or gone with East Sea...Of the Motherland! |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I would try to chime in with a "In Russia, seas name themselves." kind of joke, but those are becoming overplayed and I am not that funny. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I would try to chime in with a "In Russia, seas name themselves." kind of joke, but those are becoming overplayed and I am not that funny. |
How about "In Soviet Russia, seas name YOU!" |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sea of Japakorussia. Done.
Oh wait, then they'd argue about the order... |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:03 am Post subject: |
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they can do everything in the world, EXCEPT THE ONE THING TO FINALIZE IT FOREVER: the international court.
This has not so much to do with history, nor mineral richeness or fishing, as it does to losing something else to Japan. or winning something.
Its not a battle they can risk.
I saw in the paper theyre going to spend alot of money on the Dokdo thing.
But in the end, if the intl court rules in Japan's favor, Korea's still underdeveloped enough to make some kind of trouble....
some Japanese = all foreigners you know...  |
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