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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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The crisis of '75 was orchestrated to arrest Shin Jung-hyeon (and other artists), whose influence on Korean culture was seen as a threat to Park Jung-hee's authority.
Apparently, Shin had written a column in a newspaper or magazine shortly before his arrest about his experiences with marijuana.
Shin was at the top on Park's hit list. His popularity and influence was such that a few years earlier Park had asked him to write a song praising him. Instead, Shin wrote this song, a huge FU to Park when you read between the lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaMwsWLsSKE
After his arrest, Shin was banned from performing for years. |
How come? Can you translate some of it, or just explain the gist of it? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| midnight express (old movie but heck it rams home the point). |
Unless things have changed I'd rather be in a Korean prison then one back home. |
As a foreigner...sure you go try it. 
Of course, Midnight Express was a bit of an extreme case. Still, touching drugs in any country that has draconian drug laws is just dumb. No way around that. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
I think a lot of them were imprisoned, either by that administration or the one after it. Social activists, hippies, etc. I met one person who spent years behind bars for protesting.
I get the impression that basically the government was a battering ram and it wasn't going to let anything get in the way of its development plan for the country.
Its a far more democratic and free country now...but a lot of the older generation still have quite a fear of the government and of speaking out. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yeh it was not that long ago that there was a curfew and seeing the Korean military in the streets was common. The changes, the freedom was bought with blood by brave koreans. I feel bad for the young people arrested, but they knew the consequences and they took the risk. The police say more arrest will follow. It just is not worth the risk for brief high. Culling the herd. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
The crisis of '75 was orchestrated to arrest Shin Jung-hyeon (and other artists), whose influence on Korean culture was seen as a threat to Park Jung-hee's authority.
Apparently, Shin had written a column in a newspaper or magazine shortly before his arrest about his experiences with marijuana.
Shin was at the top on Park's hit list. His popularity and influence was such that a few years earlier Park had asked him to write a song praising him. Instead, Shin wrote this song, a huge FU to Park when you read between the lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaMwsWLsSKE
After his arrest, Shin was banned from performing for years. |
How come? Can you translate some of it, or just explain the gist of it? |
Instead of praising Park Jung-hee, who was pushing for industrial development, he wrote about the beauties of nature, hope, and change.
Here's a translation:
http://www.lyricsmoon.com/song_933_2349.html?trans=en |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Interesting.
I think a lot of them were imprisoned, either by that administration or the one after it. Social activists, hippies, etc. I met one person who spent years behind bars for protesting.
I get the impression that basically the government was a battering ram and it wasn't going to let anything get in the way of its development plan for the country.
Its a far more democratic and free country now...but a lot of the older generation still have quite a fear of the government and of speaking out. |
Many people would also disappear (or were thrown out the window at the police station in an attempt to make them appear guilty of whatever trumped up charges the cops had come up with). There's a building on Namsan where the cops would bring student activists and dissidents in order to torture them. I think it's a youth centre now.
You've probably heard about how the KCIA kidnapped Kim Dae Jung in Japan (with the help of a powerful Zainichi gangster)? They brought him on a ship and were about to throw him overboard when an American jet started circling above the ship. They beat Kim Dae Jung so badly, he always walked with a limp after that. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Thats what I was thinking the other day. Korea skipped the 60's. President Park stole them. Cultural change has been incremental...the result of physical mass urbanization more than anything else.
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| After his release, he was banned from public performance for years.[7] With the death of Park Chung Hee, he was free to perform, but public tastes in music had changed by then.[7] "It was all, 'Let's work hard,' and 'Let's be happy' kind of stuff. It was completely physical, with no spirit, no mentality, no humanity. That trend has carried over all the way to today..." according to Shin.[7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Jung-hyeon |
Yep. Thats modern K-pop.
Check out Kim Jung-Mi and Shin Jung-Hyun on youtube. Awesome. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| midnight express (old movie but heck it rams home the point). |
Unless things have changed I'd rather be in a Korean prison then one back home. |
As a foreigner...sure you go try it.
Of course, Midnight Express was a bit of an extreme case. Still, touching drugs in any country that has draconian drug laws is just dumb. No way around that. |
The hash-smuggling author of Brother One Cell agrees with young_clinton on this one. One third of the way into his sentence he was given the option to finish his sentence in a US prison. He decided he was better off sleeping on a wooden floor, eating ramen and kimchi, pooping in a hole in the floor, and working in a shoe factory run by Korean gangsters than having to worry about being raped and assaulted in an American prison.
I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
The thing is, I don't think the people taking the risk are really cognizant of the risk they're taking. Generally they're people who look around Korea, see the overall lax enforcement of laws we take for granted in the States, and decide that it will be super easy to get away with and they'll never get caught. Or, just as often, they've been people who were quite naive, met someone who told them it wasn't a big deal (probably people from the first category), and simply believed the old hand without doing any research themselves. Either way they're stupid, but I don't think addiction is the term I would use. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
Addictive? that's a strong word. that's like saying coffee, chocolate, sex, drugs, shopping, smoking, etc etc etc is all addictive.
and the answer is yes, those substances can be addictive to people with addictive personalities.
I have tried everything I have listed above. but I am not addicted to them.
I smoked tobacco for social reasons, for many years in fact, and was never addicted. I just smoked. and then I stopped, BOOM just like that, wasn't hard at all because I was never addicted to it even though I smoked for 10 years on and off.
marijuana well, I understand some people prefer smoking than drinking.
to get high you must drink 6 cans of beer, or at least 4 double shots of whiskey, or a bottle of wine, but with a joint, it only takes a couple of puffs and your away, then 1 hour later you are off it.
in theory it's the better choice for human being intoxication.
it's clean, it's cheap, and it's a nicer high. but of course it's illegal.
but to say marijuana is addictive is a over statement. because it's like saying porn, video games, cigars, or pizza is addictive. they are not.
I enjoy them! and I use them in moderation. I am not addicted to them like young Koreans are addicted to their phones.
so I can understand why some foreigners seek out weed. they like it..
it's like me going to Brazil and seeking out women for sex. I am not addicted to sex, I just like Brazillian women. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
Addictive? that's a strong word. that's like saying coffee, chocolate, sex, drugs, shopping, smoking, etc etc etc is all addictive.
and the answer is yes, those substances can be addictive to people with addictive personalities.
I have tried everything I have listed above. but I am not addicted to them.
I smoked tobacco for social reasons, for many years in fact, and was never addicted. I just smoked. and then I stopped, BOOM just like that, wasn't hard at all because I was never addicted to it even though I smoked for 10 years on and off.
marijuana well, I understand some people prefer smoking than drinking.
to get high you must drink 6 cans of beer, or at least 4 double shots of whiskey, or a bottle of wine, but with a joint, it only takes a couple of puffs and your away, then 1 hour later you are off it.
in theory it's the better choice for human being intoxication.
it's clean, it's cheap, and it's a nicer high. but of course it's illegal.
but to say marijuana is addictive is a over statement. because it's like saying porn, video games, cigars, or pizza is addictive. they are not.
I enjoy them! and I use them in moderation. I am not addicted to them like young Koreans are addicted to their phones.
so I can understand why some foreigners seek out weed. they like it..
it's like me going to Brazil and seeking out women for sex. I am not addicted to sex, I just like Brazillian women. |
put it on your personal blog or somewhere where people care about your personal addictions or lack-of.
Your analogies are all increadibly terrible. Smoking not addictive because you quit after 10 years, but "koreans" are addicted to their phones? |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
The thing is, I don't think the people taking the risk are really cognizant of the risk they're taking. Generally they're people who look around Korea, see the overall lax enforcement of laws we take for granted in the States, and decide that it will be super easy to get away with and they'll never get caught. Or, just as often, they've been people who were quite naive, met someone who told them it wasn't a big deal (probably people from the first category), and simply believed the old hand without doing any research themselves. Either way they're stupid, but I don't think addiction is the term I would use. |
Agreed. There's a segment of those here that have some growing up to do. I guess most of us avoid the big mistakes or make them in places where the penalties are less severe.
When I worked in Latin America I knew a US woman who'd done time in Columbia for trafficking. Now if you'd spoken to her before sticking the bag of weed in your suitcase, you wouldn't stick the bag of weed in your suitcase. If, on the other hand, you grew up in say Seattle and your Dad's buddies were all know to grow it and toke on special occasions you might have a very different idea about the severity of getting caught.
By demographics alone, I think a lot of folks who come here are younger and don't necessarily have that much experience or overestimate their ability to assess risks.
Just my two cents of course. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I have tried everything I have listed above. but I am not addicted to them. |
The dictionary defines addiction quite loosely. It can be as little as a "habit", a "devotion" or an "enthusiasm for".
The original meaning was more severe: "a slave" (Latin addictus , a debtor awarded as a slave to his creditor.) |
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Wiltern
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody thinking of smuggling drugs, should check out National Geographic's Locked Up Abroad....best show on TV. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Your analogies are all increadibly terrible. Smoking not addictive because you quit after 10 years, but "koreans" are addicted to their phones? |
You are a teacher right?
ok, know I don't know what age the students are you teach but if you know any university students or even high school students I want you to ask them something tomorrow ok.
" if you left your house and walked to the bus stop which is 10 minutes away then once you arrived at the bus stop you realized you left your phone at home, what do you do?"
A: you walk back home and get your phone but now you will be late for work or class.
B: you proceed to work so you are not late and spend the day without your phone.
get back to me tomorrow and let me know which percentage of your students or friends answered B
and a follow up question would be. how would you feel without your phone for a week?
addiction lies in the person. |
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