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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
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I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
Obviously it's not worth the risk, but for some it's just a lifestyle drug they enjoy and they don't view it as a risky activity in the first place. To them it's just like having a beer or two after work.
Unfortunately for them, not everyone sees it that way. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| I knew plenty of people working in Korea that put away their childish behaviors when they finished school. Too many people just never realize that there's a finish line somewhere in there about the time they graduate and get their first job. If it was legal, no one would even talk about it, but that's just not the case. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
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I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
Obviously it's not worth the risk, but for some it's just a lifestyle drug they enjoy and they don't view it as a risky activity in the first place. To them it's just like having a beer or two after work.
Unfortunately for them, not everyone sees it that way. |
It IS psychologically addictive, like gambling for example. For many, just as powerful as a physical addiction. I kicked the 'puff' as we call it where I'm from about 14 years ago and am very glad I did. Though I am willing to make the concession that there are some people who can indulge in it daily even and still live prodcutive lives, just as there are drinkers that can but I couldn't. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
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I always used to believe that marijuana wasn't addictive, until I saw the insane amount of risk some Westerners are willing to take on in order to get it here. |
Obviously it's not worth the risk, but for some it's just a lifestyle drug they enjoy and they don't view it as a risky activity in the first place. To them it's just like having a beer or two after work.
Unfortunately for them, not everyone sees it that way. |
It IS psychologically addictive, like gambling for example. For many, just as powerful as a physical addiction. I kicked the 'puff' as we call it where I'm from about 14 years ago and am very glad I did. Though I am willing to make the concession that there are some people who can indulge in it daily even and still live prodcutive lives, just as there are drinkers that can but I couldn't. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
The hash-smuggling author of Brother One Cell agrees with young_clinton on this one. One third of the way into his sentence he was given the option to finish his sentence in a US prison. He decided he was better off sleeping on a wooden floor, eating ramen and kimchi, pooping in a hole in the floor, and working in a shoe factory run by Korean gangsters than having to worry about being raped and assaulted in an American prison.
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I forgot about that book, actually it was Kimchi Jaggae they would feed them, my favorite. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
It IS psychologically addictive, like gambling for example. For many, just as powerful as a physical addiction.
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Surfing the internet, gaming, or almost any behavior can be psychologically addictive.
In terms of physical addiction, it ranks pretty low within the spectrum of substances.
It's main drawback is that is it illegal. That's the main reason why it should be avoided.
All things being equal, soju is a much worse substance, especially the morning after. Heck, I have an adverse psychological reaction just looking at those green bottles in the stores.
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
It IS psychologically addictive, like gambling for example. For many, just as powerful as a physical addiction.
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Surfing the internet, gaming, or almost any behavior can be psychologically addictive.
In terms of physical addiction, it ranks pretty low within the spectrum of substances.
It's main drawback is that is it illegal. That's the main reason why it should be avoided.
All things being equal, soju is a much worse substance, especially the morning after. Heck, I have an adverse psychological reaction just looking at those green bottles in the stores.
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It's much more addictive than you are suggesting. In reality, the proportion of drug users who become addicted to any drug is relatively small (10-30%). 9% of marijuana users will develop a strong addiction (10-30% will develop dependency). So, although it's less addictive than heroine (23%) or tobacco (32%), it remains that it is still significantly so. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Biggest problem for ESL teachers is still by far alcohol. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Biggest problem for ESL teachers is still by far alcohol. |
And this is why I think some people choose to break the law and still smoke pot.
Yes it's risky, but in terms of effects it's not even comparable to drinking.
In addition, we all know that the reason for it's illegality is based on lies and bull$h!t. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Your analogies are all increadibly terrible. Smoking not addictive because you quit after 10 years, but "koreans" are addicted to their phones? |
You are a teacher right?
ok, know I don't know what age the students are you teach but if you know any university students or even high school students I want you to ask them something tomorrow ok.
" if you left your house and walked to the bus stop which is 10 minutes away then once you arrived at the bus stop you realized you left your phone at home, what do you do?"
A: you walk back home and get your phone but now you will be late for work or class.
B: you proceed to work so you are not late and spend the day without your phone.
get back to me tomorrow and let me know which percentage of your students or friends answered B
and a follow up question would be. how would you feel without your phone for a week?
addiction lies in the person. |
Hahahaha
That's how you define addiction?
Sshhheeeeeooooottttt.... I guess I'm addicted to my pants, my credit card, my iPad, and my phone then.
You know, many people need their phones to do their job, right? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
It IS psychologically addictive, like gambling for example. For many, just as powerful as a physical addiction.
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Surfing the internet, gaming, or almost any behavior can be psychologically addictive.
In terms of physical addiction, it ranks pretty low within the spectrum of substances.
It's main drawback is that is it illegal. That's the main reason why it should be avoided.
All things being equal, soju is a much worse substance, especially the morning after. Heck, I have an adverse psychological reaction just looking at those green bottles in the stores.
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It's much more addictive than you are suggesting. In reality, the proportion of drug users who become addicted to any drug is relatively small (10-30%). 9% of marijuana users will develop a strong addiction (10-30% will develop dependency). So, although it's less addictive than heroine (23%) or tobacco (32%), it remains that it is still significantly so. |
It's still fairly benign in comparison to even certain legal substances, and not as addictive or harmful as many want to portray it. That doesn't mean it's a 100 percent healthy activity, but the most dangerous thing about it is that it's currently illegal and therefore, a bad idea to do (especially in Asia). Take away the illegal aspect and it becomes not much different than having a few drinks after work, minus the hangover the next day.
As for your data (not sure how accurate it is, and did it include alcohol?)... based on just that, we should ban tobacco too since 'significantly' more people will develop dependency (9% vs. 32%).
People can be addicted to anything, and some are more prone to addiction than others. That doesn't automatically justify banning the thing.
Obviously that's a question for lawmakers to decide though.
Actually, let's get a panel of lawmakers to try it out first so they can make an informed decision about it and then let's see what happens! Prediction: "Woah...Why were we lugging those soju and mokoli bottles up the mountain all those years when this feels so much better and there's no hangover or litter to carry out?" And soon after the ajussi hikers with the portable radios start playing Bob Marley instead of Bbongjak. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Generally they're people who look around Korea, see the overall lax enforcement of laws we take for granted in the States, and decide that it will be super easy to get away with and they'll never get caught. |
This is a big part of it. People see the "face" of law enforcement here which is usually young, untrained, clueless and ineffective beat cops who just kind of loiter around as people flagrantly break laws in front of them.
What people don't realize is that the federal and local narcos REALLY have their stuff together, and totally get off on the whole "bust the foreigner" thing. For them it's the equivalent of "dope on the table." |
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swinewho
Joined: 17 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I bet these cops had one massive party after this bust 
Hard to have any sympathy for people who choose to break the law, esp when the same people go to Thailand and such places and choose to do it there (even more of a stupid idea! IMHO)
This thread will run and run.................. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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addiction lies in the person. |
Hahahaha
That's how you define addiction?
Sshhheeeeeooooottttt.... I guess I'm addicted to my pants, my credit card, my iPad, and my phone then.
You know, many people need their phones to do their job, right?[/quote]
It's not how I define it.
I am showing you an example of different addictions.
gaming, internet addiction. it's real! I don't see how people could seriously be addicted to gaming, but they are.
porn, yes good ole porn , some people are addicted, I saw them on Dr Phil, these guys are whacking off 10 times a day, married two kids, living in suburbia America. it's real!
Credit card addiction. HOLY MOLLY is it ever addictive, well based on the people on oprah , yes it's very addictive.
now back to Phones. sure some people might need it for their jobs.
which Student needs a phone for his job? anyway what ever.
the point was, to see who would run home to get their phones because they can't go the day without it, not because of work, but because they feel naked with out it.
yes, you probably are, not so much the pants. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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And this is why I think some people choose to break the law and still smoke pot.
Yes it's risky, but in terms of effects it's not even comparable to drinking. |
Not true really. A chronic pot smoker is going to mess up his lungs and face heart disease.
As to Captain Korea being addcited to his pants - you;re describing need / neccesity. Needs and neccessities are not pathological as long as they help rather than hinder your daily life and ability to function. I believe pants would fall into the non pathologial category, whereas the kids here and back home who can't be away from their intenet or phones for more than an hour without experiencing extreme levels of anxiety and insecurity (which sadly is a real, well documented phenomenon) would fall into pathological. |
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