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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NQ wrote:
Carbon wrote:
NQ wrote:

Does anyone know the ng/ml cutoff they use for the cannaboid test? I haven't been able to find any info on that...



Detected or not. There's your cutoff, bongwater.


First off, I don't like how you make certain assumptions against me. You don't even know who I am or why I am even asking this question.

Second off, every drug test is done for detection but there's usually a threshold that the level of drugs has to pass for it to become "detected". I'm just wondering what that threshold is (if any) as you're saying that there isn't any. Is this true?


you're asking thats enough to assume you are using or recently have used and given the news of another foreigner drug bust and talk of more drug tests for teachers, its best that you just go back and save us the grief that will come from another press report
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NQ wrote:
Carbon wrote:
NQ wrote:

Does anyone know the ng/ml cutoff they use for the cannaboid test? I haven't been able to find any info on that...



Detected or not. There's your cutoff, bongwater.


First off, I don't like how you make certain assumptions against me. You don't even know who I am or why I am even asking this question.

Second off, every drug test is done for detection but there's usually a threshold that the level of drugs has to pass for it to become "detected". I'm just wondering what that threshold is (if any) as you're saying that there isn't any. Is this true?


You dig up a 3 month-old thread and start asking specific questions about the time lag between arrival, getting your ARC and the medical test, then about the sensitivity of the testing machine and you think I even need to infer anything?

Something is turning your brain to paranoid mush, that's for sure.

BTW...making assumptions "about", not "against". "Accusations" are made "against", and I will leave that to the relevant authorities after you arrive.
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jfromtheway



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief, a guy smokes some weed and asks a question about a drug test... and he gets jumped like gangbusters by 1940s-minded, anti-drug absolutists. Talk about petty, giving the "we don't want you here, stay in your country," argument. However, there's something out there that helps people deal with being so uptight about little things that have nothing to do with them, know what I'm saying? OP, just quit 20-30 days before you come, you're unlikely to get an informed answer here amongst the sad, bitter individuals who, as you have seen, inhabit this site and hate people who enjoy natural growing good things, relaxing, and doing things that might increase one's overall enjoyment of life.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfromtheway wrote:
Good grief, a guy smokes some weed and asks a question about a drug test... and he gets jumped like gangbusters by 1940s-minded, anti-drug absolutists. Talk about petty, giving the "we don't want you here, stay in your country," argument. However, there's something out there that helps people deal with being so uptight about little things that have nothing to do with them, know what I'm saying?


Every week there are stories of idiots getting busted here and it reflects on and impacts all of us.

Anyone who can't clean up before going halfway around the world and becoming a 'teacher' in a xenophobic country that paints us all with the same brush, really shouldn't come at all.

It's called being responsible.

It's not all good.....dude. Know what I'm saying? Probably not.
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jfromtheway



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
Nope.

I don't speak noobese.


Perhaps, an ancient dialect of foreveroutoftouchese, then?

Seriously, as a relatively harmless "drug," growing naturally upon our earth, pot is demonized enough by the people whose job it is to legislate it for law enforcement revenue purposes, we don't need closed minded, regular citizens web policing/bullying other people who are simply looking for a job and maybe a better opportunity. Especially, those who have merely asked a question about a drug test on an open web forum. There's no reason to negatively label a substance that benefits many people on this planet, and continue to stigmatize those who choose to engage in inhaling something that, again, grows naturally upon our earth. These arguments always revolve around the often ill-conceived notions of the individual who is against it. It's rarely about the actual "thing" itself, unfortunately.


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jfromtheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
jfromtheway wrote:
Good grief, a guy smokes some weed and asks a question about a drug test... and he gets jumped like gangbusters by 1940s-minded, anti-drug absolutists. Talk about petty, giving the "we don't want you here, stay in your country," argument. However, there's something out there that helps people deal with being so uptight about little things that have nothing to do with them, know what I'm saying?


Every week there are stories of idiots getting busted here and it reflects on and impacts all of us.

Anyone who can't clean up before going halfway around the world and becoming a 'teacher' in a xenophobic country that paints us all with the same brush, really shouldn't come at all.

It's called being responsible.

It's not all good.....dude. Know what I'm saying? Probably not.


OK, left my response window open for a while, so I'll address this one as well.

It doesn't affect all of us, unless you care about regular drug tests, which you shouldn't if you're not getting high here. If it is the perception of us, I would simply respond by saying that I don't include myself in your "us" category, even though I work and live here alongside you. I don't smoke pot here and I don't care about what Koreans think about me. So it doesn't affect "me," which includes "us," using your definition.

I agree that anyone who can't go 30 days without smoking shouldn't come here, obviously, since you'll be on the next flight back if you choose otherwise.

But I completely disagree with you merging the concept of smoking pot with being irresponsible, unless you're going to work high. I don't think that's an argument you will win.
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NQ



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
NQ wrote:
Carbon wrote:
NQ wrote:

Does anyone know the ng/ml cutoff they use for the cannaboid test? I haven't been able to find any info on that...



Detected or not. There's your cutoff, bongwater.


First off, I don't like how you make certain assumptions against me. You don't even know who I am or why I am even asking this question.

Second off, every drug test is done for detection but there's usually a threshold that the level of drugs has to pass for it to become "detected". I'm just wondering what that threshold is (if any) as you're saying that there isn't any. Is this true?


You dig up a 3 month-old thread and start asking specific questions about the time lag between arrival, getting your ARC and the medical test, then about the sensitivity of the testing machine and you think I even need to infer anything?

Something is turning your brain to paranoid mush, that's for sure.

BTW...making assumptions "about", not "against". "Accusations" are made "against", and I will leave that to the relevant authorities after you arrive.


You're inferring that I'm some sort of irresponsible drug addict that doesn't take being an ESL teacher seriously, which you don't know. Maybe I was a chronic pot smoker just until a month ago or so until I decided to go clean finally for whatever reason. Maybe now I just want to know how sensitive the testing equipment is since THC metabolites can stay in your system for a while. Or maybe I got exposed to second hand weed smoke for a prolonged period of time recently which could be another reason for me wanting know specifics about the ng/ml cutoff. Or MAYBE I truly am someone who doesn't take this profession seriously and I blaze everyday and I want to pass the drug test. You don't know my reasons for asking this question, and until then, you can't insinuate anything about me.

I don't feel like I have to give a reason to you or anyone else about why I'm inquiring about the drug test anyway. I dug up this thread because I didn't want to create a new one as there's so many around already about the same topic. That I can answer for you

If anyone has an answer, please post it here or PM me if they're scared about being chastised.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfromtheway wrote:


OK, left my response window open for a while, so I'll address this one as well.

It doesn't affect all of us, unless you care about regular drug tests, which you shouldn't if you're not getting high here. If it is the perception of us, I would simply respond by saying that I don't include myself in your "us" category, even though I work and live here alongside you. I don't smoke pot here and I don't care about what Koreans think about me. So it doesn't affect "me," which includes "us," using your definition.

I agree that anyone who can't go 30 days without smoking shouldn't come here, obviously, since you'll be on the next flight back if you choose otherwise.

But I completely disagree with you merging the concept of smoking pot with being irresponsible, unless you're going to work high. I don't think that's an argument you will win.



I am not interested in winning; I am interested in being correct. Smoking pot in Korea is irresponsible, for reasons which have been articulated time and time again. To be clear, in another country, Canada for example, I would probably agree with you, but this discussion is framed within very a different context. You are arguing from a general pro-marijuana stance, while I am having a more relevant discussion.

I may be wrong to include you in my "us". I don't represent the majority of foreigners in Korea and you may well have the voice of the masses of soul-searchers, working holiday types and those here to pay off student loans. I shouldn't expect them to care as deeply as I about these matters and my failure to articulate where I am coming from may be significant. Having said that, I am certain there are a wealth of individuals - all those who are having or have had problems satisfying all of the regulations - that wish that those who came before them had behaved more responsibly. With that, I would say that even if you do represent the majority, it is I who have their best interests in mind, not you.

Finally, supporting the "I've got nothing to hide" is a fool's errand. Maybe you are up to it.
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jfromtheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And who are you having this more relevant discussion with, Carbon? The guy never said he was in Korea and the only, yes, irresponsible, thing that I witnessed was you and the other guy trying to belittle him for asking a question about a drug test.

OK. Smoking pot in Korea is only irresponsible because you're in a foreign country that happens to have draconian drug laws making the consequences greater. I'm sure you agree with that but that's where I draw the line. Exceptions can also always be made based on the situation.
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Carbon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not having any relevant discussion with you, that's for sure.

My point is clear and if one even person refrains from asking for advice on how to beat the drug test, mission accomplished. Asking will always get you stomped here, and for good reason.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfromtheway wrote:
Carbon wrote:
Nope.

I don't speak noobese.


Perhaps, an ancient dialect of foreveroutoftouchese, then?

Seriously, as a relatively harmless "drug," growing naturally upon our earth, pot is demonized enough by the people whose job it is to legislate it for law enforcement revenue purposes, we don't need closed minded, regular citizens web policing/bullying other people who are simply looking for a job and maybe a better opportunity. Especially, those who have merely asked a question about a drug test on an open web forum. There's no reason to negatively label a substance that benefits many people on this planet, and continue to stigmatize those who choose to engage in inhaling something that, again, grows naturally upon our earth. These arguments always revolve around the often ill-conceived notions of the individual who is against it. It's rarely about the actual "thing" itself, unfortunately.


Should it be legalized? Probably, but that's a moot point since we're dealing with present reality, and the reality is that it is illegal in South Korea.

And so, Carbon is right. Their actions are not inconsequential.

Regardless of whether you agree with Korean attitudes towards marijuana or not, it is what it is and therefore every arrest reflects poorly upon us.

Oh, and it's all good because it's a plant?

Reminds me of a story my father told me. He was a biologist, a mycologist to be more exact. One day, the hospital called him because they needed help identifying a mushroom that a patient had eaten. At the urging of the nurse, my father asked the patient why she had eaten it. She replied, "It was so beautiful". Yes, Amanita muscarias are beautiful indeed. Laughing
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jfromtheway



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's right because you agree with him, 12ax7? In fact, I agreed with most of what he said in his redacted response.

What I disagree with, is the overreacting and quibbling over what a few idiots in the big bad world decided to do last week, then berating an individual you know nothing about, lumping him in with a group of drug smugglers, accusing him of being irresponsible, and NOT answering his damn question. All for, what, inquiring about a simple drug test? And I get the response, "well that's how we roll on Dave's when people ask about the drug test". Responsibility in action.

I would call being anonymously vilifying and immature towards a complete stranger, irresponsible.

Check my statements on this page (or the next one if I flip it), and note: 1) I never mentioned the word "legalization" 2) Never even made any argument for/against Korea and its policy on marijuana 3) And never said anything about people getting arrested here.

It's not that I don't have opinions on those things, it was the whole, irresponsibly and anonymously berating a dude on the internet and calling him irresponsible, "you're not welcome here" hypocritical gang up babble, which led me to enter the forum.

And yes, it's good because it's a good plant. But, as your story highlights, there are bad plants too.
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northway



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
Regardless of whether you agree with Korean attitudes towards marijuana or not, it is what it is and therefore every arrest reflects poorly upon us.


I'm pretty sure the guy who asked about the tests was trying not to get arrested...
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy seems to have been worried his pot use would show up on a test. Thats not unreasonable and needs to be separated from someone who uses pot in Korea (that is DUMB, no debate).

If the guy smokes weed back where he is and does not touch the stuff in Korea then no worries and that makes him aware and intelligent enough to understand what living abroad means.

So far, it seems to be just the case....no need to condemn him for asking a question like that before going to Korea or taking the medical test.

Now if he uses in Korea and gets busted, no tears will be shed because you have to be a complete moron to use drugs in any country that has such draconian drug laws.

Still, so far this is not the case....
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Carbon



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I reacted the way I did (which was not irresponsible; check a dictionary) because the guy was/is smoking right down to the wire. He was worried about the pending medical test which, and I am assuming he did some reading before deciding to go halfway around the world, he knew was inevitable. He asks how sensitive the machine is and how long the time period between getting your ARC (right away, typically) and the test. This guy must have been hitting in the car on the way to the airport, or planning to.

This is irresponsible, in a very literal sense. If he hasn't left yet and departure is eminent, then the same thing applies; he should have stopped some time ago to let it clear his system.

No matter the situation, if you are worried about the test when you arrive, it is illustrative of poor planning and self control which, if you are caught/turned away, etc, is irresponsible regarding both himself and those who are here and have to live under the shadow cast by such events.

jfromtheway, your position is clear. Being "being anonymously vilifying and immature towards a complete stranger" is not 'irresponsible', except in some vague, non-literal sense. His post implicated him, not me and I would call his behavior immature (not stopping sooner), not mine. I was reactionary or impulsive at worst.

Now, I would say that one characterizing the laws here as being "draconian" works against any claim to "Never even made any argument for/against Korea and its policy on marijuana". Other words are much less pejorative and I am sure that one would choose another if they didn't want to show their strong feelings about this topic.

I would say that you are biased, while I and others remain only biased toward not wanting to carry the burden of others. I have never condemned one who partakes outside Korea; that is not my business and I honestly don't care. Your bias is seems to be making you read things into the topic that in reality are not there. Relax. Nobody is taking a black or white stance on the general issue of use. I think I have been quite clear that my point of view is framed with "in Korea".
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