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Rob12
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:45 am Post subject: 200,000 won gas bill? I know it's cold but... |
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Is this normal for this time of year? It's my second month here. I've been keeping the temperature at about 23-24 degrees in the apartment. Showering regularly and doing laundry about twice a week.
I've looked at some other posts and it seems that other people have had similar bills but what are some tips on lowering the costs? Thank you. And sorry for the repetitive questions but I'm new to the country and any help is appreciated |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: Re: 200,000 won gas bill? I know it's cold but... |
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Rob12 wrote: |
Is this normal for this time of year? It's my second month here. I've been keeping the temperature at about 23-24 degrees in the apartment. Showering regularly and doing laundry about twice a week.
I've looked at some other posts and it seems that other people have had similar bills but what are some tips on lowering the costs? Thank you. And sorry for the repetitive questions but I'm new to the country and any help is appreciated |
I don't know what's going on. I'm considering getting a much smaller place. I just got a bill for 133,000 won, and for at least 15 of the days I was on vacation, and the heater was on automatic and two of the valves were shut off. I don't know why the bills are so high. Plus, this is one of the colder winters I've experienced over here. Even Busan, from what I hear, got pretty cold. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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The key point if if you heating panel is on, it is likely burning gas. The ondal/heating system is not the best for warming up a place. So my advice is turn it off FULLY when not using. Turn it ON when you need to heat water or want to heat up the room. Avoid leaving it on when you go out. Also learn to us the timers if you do want to turn on for a time.
In the end if you want a well heated room avoid using the ondal system. Consider the electric heaters, but be careful as then electricity bill will rise. I would consider getting on of those propane heater on wheels. Those will heat up a room well. But I would stock up on a carbon monoxide detector.
Be aware that temp on the system will vary. Meaning if the system means 21c, that might just be the general floor temp not the actual room temp. Might want to use a extra external thermometer.
This month I am taking my grandma's and mother's advice and just put on a sweater.
My bill was 144,000, was a bit of a shock for me. But my apartment is weird and inefficient with the hot water tanks.
As a side not if you are really paranoid you are being cheated consider finding your meter and recording it yourself. Plus make sure you have the right bill. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Skippy wrote: |
The key point if if you heating panel is on, it is likely burning gas. The ondal/heating system is not the best for warming up a place. So my advice is turn it off FULLY when not using. Turn it ON when you need to heat water or want to heat up the room. Avoid leaving it on when you go out. Also learn to us the timers if you do want to turn on for a time.
In the end if you want a well heated room avoid using the ondal system. Consider the electric heaters, but be careful as then electricity bill will rise. I would consider getting on of those propane heater on wheels. Those will heat up a room well. But I would stock up on a carbon monoxide detector.
Be aware that temp on the system will vary. Meaning if the system means 21c, that might just be the general floor temp not the actual room temp. Might want to use a extra external thermometer.
This month I am taking my grandma's and mother's advice and just put on a sweater.
My bill was 144,000, was a bit of a shock for me. But my apartment is weird and inefficient with the hot water tanks.
As a side not if you are really paranoid you are being cheated consider finding your meter and recording it yourself. Plus make sure you have the right bill. |
I had huge bills before, but I expected a lower one since I shut off two out of four of the valves, and I was on vacation for two weeks of the pay period. I was kind of dumb-founded to have 144,000 won bill. I owed 180,000 previously, but I took more precautions this past month, and the heater was left to only come on if it got extremely cold while I was away, so the pipes wouldn't burst. I hope it doesn't get so cold next winter, so I don't have to pay so much. I may consider getting a smaller apartment. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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How big is your apartment? Ours is about 49 pyeong. My wife, our son, and I live there (so lots of hot water being used for showers), and the last gas bill was 209000 won. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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A few years ago I went to Thailand for most of a month. When I got back I had the highest bill of the entire winter for that month.
I turned everything off... even though I was told not to because the pipes could freeze.
I think that it's possible that my bill was basically just an average of all the people on my floor. The temperature dropped to -20 while I was in Thailand which explains why it got so high. I think that I basically just subsidized my neighbours... I heard that this is possible because usually there is only 1 gas metre per floor. What they do is just take the total gas used and divide it by the number of apartments on that floor. |
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seoultee
Joined: 11 Mar 2011
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I had the same shock factor with my first 2 cold month bills. Not quite 200k won but around 130k. This month I rarely used the ondul floor heater. I resorted to wearing warmer clothes and using my electric blanket instead. I will know in a day or two if this will help, but I'm sure it will. The floor heaters really use a lot of electricity from what I understand. |
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seoultee
Joined: 11 Mar 2011
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Chris.Quigley wrote: |
I think that I basically just subsidized my neighbours... I heard that this is possible because usually there is only 1 gas metre per floor. What they do is just take the total gas used and divide it by the number of apartments on that floor. |
Wow, I wish that was the case with me. I'd be nice and warm all the time. No more cold toes! |
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zoeksk
Joined: 21 Jan 2012
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Is it getting warmer in Korea atm? Today was 19 Degrees in England and I thinking it would be sweltering cycled 45 mins to work in 3 layers plus a wind-proof jacket. Not fun.
I move to Seoul in 15 days though
Is it normal to have the gas split over the entire floor then? As that seems like a really good idea for gas companies to rake it in. As what's the point in economizing when you know that you'll be paying for everyone else to stay warm? |
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swinewho
Joined: 17 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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The cost of the bills depends also on the type of fuel the boiler uses:
LPG is by far the most expensive to run in my experience - the is another one L?? that is wayyyyy cheaper and oil.
I used to like the oil one because I would pay to have my tank filled up and then you could SEE how much you would go through each week - not waiting until the end of the month and getting a huge bill!
But each apt has a meter - yours should be visible on the outside of your apt, they normally have your apt number directly above it.
Use this a s a ref point to see how many units of gas you are using.....
Soon it will be warm enough to not need Ondol and cool enough not to need AC love March-May/june! |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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If you live in an offictel (spelling?), averaging out bill is a common practice by the powers that be. Keep in mind, they don't just average out heating bills based on number of apartments, but also the size of apartments. So, the bigger the apartment, the more you'll pay. This also means that turning off the heat - ever - is pointless, since it is doubtful that any neighbors are doing it. Welcome to ROK? |
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Rob12
Joined: 14 Sep 2011
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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My apartment's huge actually, 2 bedroom so that probably explains the high price. I contacted the teacher that lived here before me as well and he said this time of year that's the normal cost unfortunately.
Luckily I'll be moving to a smaller apartment soon so hopefully the cost will be cheaper. And I lowered the heat as well. I didn't know that the cost could be split between floors and what not, and yeah I guess if it's a private company it'll sky rocket during these months. |
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orosee

Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 200,000 won gas bill? I know it's cold but... |
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Rob12 wrote: |
Is this normal for this time of year? It's my second month here. I've been keeping the temperature at about 23-24 degrees in the apartment. Showering regularly and doing laundry about twice a week.
I've looked at some other posts and it seems that other people have had similar bills but what are some tips on lowering the costs? Thank you. And sorry for the repetitive questions but I'm new to the country and any help is appreciated |
For me this is normal. Once you've stayed here long enough, your gas bill (if you get one from the gas company) will show you a 13 month record so you can compare. It's a very nice cosine curve:
2/11 - 235K
3/11 - 150K
4/11 - 120K
5/11 - 25K (here's the first month I switched the ondol off, 2011 Winter was long)
6 to 11/11 - 10K or less (that's for hot water only, cheap)
12/11 - 140K (here's where the ondol went on again, I was abroad for 1 week)
1/12 - 150K (I was abroad for 2 weeks)
2/12 - 200K (10% less than 2011, I had a modern boiler installed)
Now with an electric heater you can save 200K on your gas bill, but your power bill might end up 300K higher! Someone reported this here recently. Also consider this: What uses more energy - to sustain a constant temperature of a hot volume of water (I assume that the ondol system is somewhat closed circuit) or reheating said volume from ambient (let's say below 10C in Winter) to operating temperature (40-50C)?You might be better off leaving the ondol on its lowest setting while you're out, some control panels have a buttomn just for that.
Of course if your gas bill is the average of the floor, prisoner's dilemma might tell you that you fare better to heat as much as you can and leave the windows open for fresh air, and pay just a tiny penalty on top of the standard bill. That's what the neighbours are doing, anyway.
Unless you're Canadian or have an averaged bill, Korea will present you with 6 expensive bills and 6 almost free months for gas every year. Power bills will increase during the humod period but this is shorter (2-3 months) and still cheaper because your aircon won't need to run all day "to keep the pipes from melting".
For example, my average power consumption is about 240 kWh per month for October to July, but for August/September it rises to 340 kWh, the difference being entirely due to air conditioning. Every 100 kWh the price per kWh increases (it doubles for the 2nd kWh tier, goes up 50% for the 3rd, another 50% for the 4th. If you use electric space heaters, you might end up in the most expensive tiers and that is felt on the power bill.
Gas works the same way but isn't shown as clearly on my bill. It might be that one threshold is at 160 m3 and the next at 272 m3, during the February billing period I used 220 m3.
Check your place for obvious draft spots (doors, windows) and try to seal them, do this while keeping in mind the risk of mould in the humid areas. If you smoke do so on the balcony so that you won't need to air your apartment too often (though this is one advice I never seem to apply to myself). Experiment with the ondol control and find your sweet spot for temperature, wear socks indoors etc. etc.
Ah, and hope for an early Spring  |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Chris.Quigley wrote: |
A few years ago I went to Thailand for most of a month. When I got back I had the highest bill of the entire winter for that month.
I turned everything off... even though I was told not to because the pipes could freeze.
I think that it's possible that my bill was basically just an average of all the people on my floor. The temperature dropped to -20 while I was in Thailand which explains why it got so high. I think that I basically just subsidized my neighbours... I heard that this is possible because usually there is only 1 gas metre per floor. What they do is just take the total gas used and divide it by the number of apartments on that floor. |
Yes, that happens, especially in the Jugong apartments (low cost subsidized housing). That's why you'll have people in shorts and a T-shirt in their homes in winter here. They crank it up because they know it will cost them an arm and a leg, whether they do it or not. |
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Hobophobic

Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Last three months - total gas bill 631,000 Won  |
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