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[rollo]

Oh I think that if it got tought India would attempt to sever the South seas routes. China and Japans have been playing game s with each sides ships buzzing each other. Of course the U.S keeps forces in the area that could dominate the oceans if a war erupted.

I dont think China will bankrupt itself on military spending, I also think they have legitimate reasons to have a sizable and modern military.

The U.S/Chinese relationship is amazingingly complex. My take on theChinese and how they fell about the U.S is that it is a country to admire and emulate. They also remember the help that the U.S gave China. There is a lot of goodwill toward the U.S. in China. There is also a lot of envy and a deep seated need in the Chinese to return to a position of being the richest most powerful nation on earth. Just as U.S foreign policy often suffers because of lingering shreds of the cold war mentality, the ghost of Mao and his lunacy cloud China's vision.

The U.S has always had mixed feelings about China. Seeing the Chinese as the 'yellow peril" but admiring Chinese civilization and seeing the Chinese as just like Americans but needing Christianiaty.

I will send you the story of the border shooting , thanks ffor reminding me.

[Kuros]

China Hype is centered in the Western world. The Great China Hype are the fears we project upon China, and have more to do with our discourse than the realities of modern China. But nowhere does China Hype get louder than when it comes to US-China relations.

Who owns America? Hint: It's not China

[visitorq]

^ yep, and really it goes more the other way: that China has to play by America's terms. That's what happens when your own currency is backed by trillions in foreign fiat (USD) reserves. China has to keep refinancing US debt, or risk losing its assets. This is why China is, and has always been, a captive market.

You could say that it's a sort of symbiotic relationship (the whole 'Chimerica' thing) - but the US still holds most of the world's gold reserves (by far), so even if the USD tanks, we can just re-peg the devalued currency to gold (or even issue a new currency). China doesn't have that option.

[rollo]

Spot on visitorq. Yes the U.S holds almost all the cards in the relationship. China is no where near as powerful as it is made out to be. In Western China some places are just barely entering the industrial age.
In the Western provinces many are still nomadic herders. The hype that China is a great threat to the U.S and that the Chinese economy is going to keep up it's fantastic growth are just wrong. They seem to be headed into an economic hardlanding. Inflation less exports, big tech disadvantages, and corruption on epic levels are hammering their economy. The continuing unrest in Tibet and with the Uigyar ethnic group are larger problems than the West realizes because China keeps storys about problems out of the news. Two years ago a series of bus bombings in Southern China killed about two hundred people, not a word in the Chinese and Western press. No word on who did this but many think it was Tibetans. Hong Kong is also a powder keg.
The Hong Kongers and mainlanders hate each others guts.

[Nowhere Man]

Hmm...

Back when Japan owned America, it was about golf courses (assets). I like how it's now about our debt. Who exactly are the people prattling on about this?

A google shows the link above first, one youtube random, ...and ALEX JONES!

I especially like how we hold the cards because of our debt. That's rich. This is the China hype thread, no?

OK, so look! America owns most of its own 14 trillion dollar debt. Wooooohoooo!

Two countries in Asia own 1/6 of it, but the best bit is how that makes them at our mercy.

Debt shmebt, we could just make a new gold currency!
IOW. we could just default on 15 trillion dollars owed and start anew!
Talk about a project for the new American century...

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Yer, we'd really put the screws to them Chinese by defaulting on our debt.

Aside from plunging the entire world into a catastrophic economic armageddon, who is going to shrug off all of that and persevere, the country holding 8% of the debt or the defaulting country holding, as the above article shows, almost all of it?

The cherry on the cake here is how y'all put it together:

Kuros: Look! China only holds a wee bit of our debt. HYPE!
Rollo and Q-Bert: Yep, China holds so much of our debt that we control them!

Superb.

Rollo, Nepalese border guards?

And this:

[Kuros]

[Nowhere Man]

[cwflaneur]

[The Floating World]

[Kuros]

[rollo]

Well the Chinese look toward Britain and Europe with seething hatred, over the opium wars and mpts by European powers to carve China up and steal her resources but the U.S was the world power who stood up for China at that time a little thing called the Open Door policy stopped Britain from basically annexing the East coast. it was American ships which put down the Yangtse river pirates and opened up the interior for trade. it was the U.S who sent fighters and flyers that slowed the Japanese advance acrooss China while British politicians praised the Japanese for bringing civilization to the heathen Chinese. American citizens established schools and established an orginaztion which enabled Chinese students to study at ivy league schools. Britain shipped thousands of Chinese girls to the brothels of London. Big difference..

America has always been Miguk to the Chinese "The beautiful country" Do they resent many of the U.S actions in the region , of course but they also admire the U.S. A very comples and often contradictary relationship

[The Floating World]

Antother attempt to bait ppl into an america vs uk flame war eh?

The complex relationship goes both ways and you know that.

The fact is that as I mentiond China looks to the west (both Europe and the Us) with a mixture of resentment and admiration. The US had their concessions too btw, they were sly enough to wangle the Brits into changing the names of some of the areas to the 'International Concession' once they had managed to get an invite to the party.

[visitorq]

(just saw this reply now)...

[Nowhere Man]

What raised eyebrows here:

[visitorq]