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Steelrails
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/11/116_54804.html
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| Currently, Koreans are required to register their fingerprint information and photos at the age of 17. |
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| To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's going on. After all, I had to pay a fine and got fingerprinted for being involved in a fender bender |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:04 am Post subject: |
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fermentation wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off.
What? Why?
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's going on. After all, I had to pay a fine and got fingerprinted for being involved in a fender bender (the taxi cut me off, but managed to do so fast enough that he was completely in the lane when I rear ended him, and so all the blame landed on me (yes, it's completely ridiculous)).
The cop clearly stated that they fingerprint foreigners now when we are involved in traffic accidents. Maybe they fingerprint Koreans too, but he specified that they do so for foreigners.
This seems too bizarre not to be true.
They fingerprinted you for a traffic accident?
I gotta go with absolute nonsense on that call.
I would have refused...but that is me.
There is no way in hell they are fingerprinting all people in traffic accidents now...no way.
To fingerprint only foreigners is an obvious human rights violation.
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http://asiancorrespondent.com/58799/long-term-residents-of-korea-to-be-fingerprinted-starting-tomorrow/
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Following the passage of a bill by the National Assembly in April, tomorrow (July 1) is the day when the Korea Immigration Service will begin collecting the fingerprints of all foreigners who arrive and plan to stay in Korea for 91 days or more. Some 20,000 foreigners are expected to be fingerprinted by the end of this year. Next January, the Service plans to begin fingerprinting all long-term residents, regardless of when they arrived.
This represents a revival of the fingerprinting system that was disbanded in 2003, and follows the institution of similar systems in Japan and the United States.
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http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/255672/South_Korea_to_fingerprint_all_foreigners_from_2012.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/11/116_54804.html |
Exactly. I'm heading out to Immigration this week, first time in years because I'm a permanent resident, because of this.
I'm going to check if our member of assembly voted for or against this new law. That will determine whom I'm voting for during the next elections. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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12ax7 wrote:
fermentation wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off.
What? Why?
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's going on. After all, I had to pay a fine and got fingerprinted for being involved in a fender bender (the taxi cut me off, but managed to do so fast enough that he was completely in the lane when I rear ended him, and so all the blame landed on me (yes, it's completely ridiculous)).
The cop clearly stated that they fingerprint foreigners now when we are involved in traffic accidents. Maybe they fingerprint Koreans too, but he specified that they do so for foreigners.
This seems too bizarre not to be true.
They fingerprinted you for a traffic accident?
I gotta go with absolute nonsense on that call.
I would have refused...but that is me.
There is no way in hell they are fingerprinting all people in traffic accidents now...no way.
To fingerprint only foreigners is an obvious human rights violation.
Anyone else have this experience? |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/58799/long-term-residents-of-korea-to-be-fingerprinted-starting-tomorrow/
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Following the passage of a bill by the National Assembly in April, tomorrow (July 1) is the day when the Korea Immigration Service will begin collecting the fingerprints of all foreigners who arrive and plan to stay in Korea for 91 days or more. Some 20,000 foreigners are expected to be fingerprinted by the end of this year. Next January, the Service plans to begin fingerprinting all long-term residents, regardless of when they arrived.
This represents a revival of the fingerprinting system that was disbanded in 2003, and follows the institution of similar systems in Japan and the United States.
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http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/255672/South_Korea_to_fingerprint_all_foreigners_from_2012.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/11/116_54804.html |
Exactly. I'm heading out to Immigration this week, first time in years because I'm a permanent resident, because of this.
I'm going to check if our member of assembly voted for or against this new law. That will determine whom I'm voting for during the next elections. |
I assume you'll be voting for the person who enacted this law. Fingerprinting is mandatory for Koreans. Shouldn't it be the same for foreign residents if they want to enjoy protections and benefits? Why should Permanent Residents be exempt from fingerprinting?
Oh that's right, when it comes to equality and rights, we want all of the benefits but none of the responsibilities. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh that's right, when it comes to equality and rights, we want all of the benefits but none of the responsibilities. |
Certainly...it's part of the core teaching in Entitlement 101.
That and...
Pay back your student loans...but only if you really want to.  |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: |
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12ax7 wrote:
fermentation wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off.
What? Why?
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what's going on. After all, I had to pay a fine and got fingerprinted for being involved in a fender bender (the taxi cut me off, but managed to do so fast enough that he was completely in the lane when I rear ended him, and so all the blame landed on me (yes, it's completely ridiculous)).
The cop clearly stated that they fingerprint foreigners now when we are involved in traffic accidents. Maybe they fingerprint Koreans too, but he specified that they do so for foreigners.
This seems too bizarre not to be true.
They fingerprinted you for a traffic accident?
I gotta go with absolute nonsense on that call.
I would have refused...but that is me.
There is no way in hell they are fingerprinting all people in traffic accidents now...no way.
To fingerprint only foreigners is an obvious human rights violation.
Anyone else have this experience? |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/58799/long-term-residents-of-korea-to-be-fingerprinted-starting-tomorrow/
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Following the passage of a bill by the National Assembly in April, tomorrow (July 1) is the day when the Korea Immigration Service will begin collecting the fingerprints of all foreigners who arrive and plan to stay in Korea for 91 days or more. Some 20,000 foreigners are expected to be fingerprinted by the end of this year. Next January, the Service plans to begin fingerprinting all long-term residents, regardless of when they arrived.
This represents a revival of the fingerprinting system that was disbanded in 2003, and follows the institution of similar systems in Japan and the United States.
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http://www.relax.com.sg/relax/news/255672/South_Korea_to_fingerprint_all_foreigners_from_2012.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/11/116_54804.html |
Exactly. I'm heading out to Immigration this week, first time in years because I'm a permanent resident, because of this.
I'm going to check if our member of assembly voted for or against this new law. That will determine whom I'm voting for during the next elections. |
I assume you'll be voting for the person who enacted this law. Fingerprinting is mandatory for Koreans. Shouldn't it be the same for foreign residents if they want to enjoy protections and benefits? Why should Permanent Residents be exempt from fingerprinting?
Oh that's right, when it comes to equality and rights, we want all of the benefits but none of the responsibilities. |
I've been here long enough to remember the stink the Korean government made, and the ensuing xenophobic editorials in newspapers, when Japan was fingerprinting South Korean residents of Japan. That's why.
And, do South Korean citizens have to travel halfway across their province to get fingerprinted for their ID cards? Nope.
So, it's not only about the hypocrisy but also the way it's being implemented.
Benefits and responsibilities? Get off it. It's my duty as a voter to chose the most competent representatives. It's a responsibility I don't take lightly. This is just one of many things which will shape my decisions in the voting booth. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Oh that's right, when it comes to equality and rights, we want all of the benefits but none of the responsibilities. |
Certainly...it's part of the core teaching in Entitlement 101.
That and...
Pay back your student loans...but only if you really want to. |
I'm a landed immigrant. Entitled to certain rights? You betcha. The only reason I haven't applied for citizenship is because it would complicate things with my employer. |
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Skippy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Heck I remember immigration taking fingerprint years ago. I forget exactly when I think around 2002 or 2003. This is not the first time they have asked or taken. I found it annoying to crowd in, messy ink, filling in forms, wasted a good morning.
I think it is all computer scanners now.
If you do not want to take, then go back home. At the most this is a feel good measure for the populace. Do not worry we can track the bad evil foreigners. I highly doubt any big crimes will be solved with this. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Heck I remember immigration taking fingerprint years ago. I forget exactly when I think around 2002 or 2003. This is not the first time they have asked or taken. I found it annoying to crowd in, messy ink, filling in forms, wasted a good morning.
I think it is all computer scanners now.
If you do not want to take, then go back home. At the most this is a feel good measure for the populace. Do not worry we can track the bad evil foreigners. I highly doubt any big crimes will be solved with this. |
This is my home. It has been for nearly 20 years. I'm a permanent resident, an investor, and a voter.
Tell me, why did I have to take the train for two hours (one way) when the police station and or city hall could have just as easily taken my fingerprints and forwarded the file to Immigration? Exactly, they didn't even consider it. If they can't manage such a minor problem in a logical manner, they haven't earned my trust and my vote (and before you get any ideas, this is just one of the many reasons for I lack confidence in the ruling party's ability to manage the economy). |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Heck I remember immigration taking fingerprint years ago. I forget exactly when I think around 2002 or 2003. This is not the first time they have asked or taken. I found it annoying to crowd in, messy ink, filling in forms, wasted a good morning.
I think it is all computer scanners now.
If you do not want to take, then go back home. At the most this is a feel good measure for the populace. Do not worry we can track the bad evil foreigners. I highly doubt any big crimes will be solved with this. |
This is my home. It has been for nearly 20 years. I'm a permanent resident, an investor, and a voter.
Tell me, why did I have to take the train for two hours (one way) when the police station and or city hall could have just as easily taken my fingerprints and forwarded the file to Immigration? Exactly, they didn't even consider it. If they can't manage such a minor problem in a logical manner, they haven't earned my trust and my vote (and before you get any ideas, this is just one of the many reasons for I lack confidence in the ruling party's ability to manage the economy). |
First off, Korean congressmen or 2MB don't make decisions over where you have to go to get printed. That's like saying Obama and Governer Granholm decide where you go to the Secretary of State to get a boating license test. Get a clue. What you think it goes down like this- "Oh sorry to interrupt you 2MB and Korean Congress, but while you were considering tax policy and how to deal with N. Korea, this MAJOR ISSUE of where should NETs go to get fingerprinted came up. Yes, apparently instead of a 1 HR. drive to Jinju, they now have to take a 2 Hr. drive to Changwon. I know, major campaign issue for you. The voters are all over this. Table that "Rice for Disarmament" treaty and focus on this.
Yes, bureaucracy sucks. Welcome to the real world.
And if they were so worried about tracking the "bad evil foreigners" we would have been all rounded up and dragged down to the cop shop.
Did that happen? Oh wait, no it didn't. In fact, no one had a clue about it. Yeah, they were really concerned about portraying the foreigners as criminals  I mean, they were on that!!! Second that law was made we were all rounded up. Top focus of the K-Cops-> Portray us as criminals.
Yeah, welcome to being a Korean. You have to get fingerprinted. Would you whine if you had to do military service as well?
Oh that's right. You should get total equality and total privileges. But having to do things like serve in the military and get fingerprinted? Racism. Why its so racist they make Koreans do that and now they might make foreigner residents do that. Sounds like Jim Crow to me. Sorry, I didn't know that taking a once in a lifetime 2 hour drive to your provincial office constituted racism. Martin Luther King would be all over that. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't really deserve a response since you're obviously baiting for a response...but I'll take a nibble anyway.
Do you really think that the thought of serving in the Korean armed forces is what's preventing me from getting Korean citizenship? Don't be ridiculous. Only ethnic Koreans who are under a certain age have to serve. I'm neither. Besides, how old are you? 25, maybe 28 or 30? I was in the military when you were probably just a child.
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Right, but why do you feel you should not have to be fingerprinted? Why should you be treated differently than Koreans? Why do you feel that the implementation of this law in whether you have to go to a provincial capital and not your local cop shop is a decision made in Korean congress or by the current administration?
Like I said, its a like holding Obama responsible for having to take care of US Passport stuff at certain places instead of just being able to go to your Secretary of State office or local cop shop.
I don't see how this can be a discrimination issue if Koreans have to do it as well, and I don't see how one can hold the ruling party responsible for where you have to go to get it done.
I can see it now..
"What struggles did you face as an immigrant grandpa? Was it like the movies I've seen of people getting off the boat?"
"Oh it was terrible. I had to take a 4 hour round trip one day to get fingerprinted. That was real sacrifice right there."
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| I'm going to check if our member of assembly voted for or against this new law. That will determine whom I'm voting for during the next elections. |
I don't know what part of that statement doesn't say that you're basing your vote on this single issue, but I'll try to look again. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Korean police check....are fights included??? |
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They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off. |
What? Why? |
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. . |
Who is "they"? |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Korean police check....are fights included??? |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
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They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off. |
What? Why? |
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. . |
Who is "they"? |
Certain elements in the government, like that politician who once made inflammatory comments about foreign residents to reporters. When one of the reporters challenged her claims, she replied that she had read it somewhere but was unable to cite her sources.
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r122925
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Right, but why do you feel you should not have to be fingerprinted? Why should you be treated differently than Koreans? |
I think it's disingenuous to say that fingerprinting foreigners is somehow just treating them the same as Koreans. Koreans have their right thumb print taken when they apply for their national ID cards. The right thumb print only. Also, Koreans males have all of their fingerprints taken when they enter the military, but as far as I am aware only the military has access to those records. Foreigners are being asked to provide all ten fingerprints to a completely different government agency. You guys can argue all day long about whether it's fair, reasonable, or justifiable, but foreigners are clearly being treated differently here. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korean police check....are fights included??? |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
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They recently started fingerprinting foreigners who are involved in traffic accidents now (thanks Lee Myung Bak). I found that out when a taxi cut me off. |
What? Why? |
To manipulate the crime statistics, I would imagine. If you haven't noticed, they've been intent on creating the impression that there is an epidemic of crimes committed by foreigners in the last few years. . |
Who is "they"? |
Certain elements in the government, like that politician who once made inflammatory comments about foreign residents to reporters. When one of the reporters challenged her claims, she replied that she had read it somewhere but was unable to cite her sources. |
A random congressman saying some things is not the same as "The government is trying to create the impression..."
Does one MP or one Senator represent their respective governments?
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| Koreans have their right thumb print taken when they apply for their national ID cards. The right thumb print only. Also, Koreans males have all of their fingerprints taken when they enter the military, but as far as I am aware only the military has access to those records. Foreigners are being asked to provide all ten fingerprints to a completely different government agency. You guys can argue all day long about whether it's fair, reasonable, or justifiable, but foreigners are clearly being treated differently here. |
I'm shocked to hear that foreigners are treated differently by bureaucracy, though I would claim that it is similar enough to be counted as equally.
I think the situation is closer to foreigners being treated the same rather than foreigners being discriminated against. |
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