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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| They have the English because they used to allow foreigners in and have only added the sign saying Koreans only. No, actually it is not ok. Entrance to Tinpan gets you entrance to all three clubs. So KOREANS ONLY applies to all three of them. And blatant racism is not okay anywhere at any time. Are 'whites only' signs okay? "Oh well, you know that one time I went there were black people smoking weed in the toilets" No. Never. |
I spoke one of the managers at Tinpan. He said they got tired of the fighting that went on. It wasn't that foreigners were starting fights, but he said in the majority of the altercations, a foreigner was involved (either as a victim or assailant, or just being at the wrong place at the wrong time).
And, I really think you should look up the definition of "racist". His sign says Korean only. Would it surprise you that a gyopo is also denied entry to Tinpan because of their ARC? How can an establishment be racist when they don't even allow peopel of the same race?
Tinpan was trash anyways. The owner is doing all foreigners a favor by not allowing them in. |
Not even close. Those guys that like that scene will now filter out to other places. That's not a favor.
I don't like Tinpan either but how would Koreans like it if there were a series of successful clubs in the U.S. known for having a mostly Korean crowd and suddenly the club says "NO KOREANS ALLOWED". No problem there? They'd be all over that but if they do we're supposed to ignore it and even be happy just because the club really isn't all that great? |
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chuckster
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I know this would never happen, but it would be really interesting if all the foreign owned bars in Korea had a discrimination awareness night where they all refused entry to Koreans. They could have signs/posters explaining the reasons. I wonder if it could make any headlines. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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if this happened in America The Korean American association of equality
would be ALL OVER THIS.
imagine a bar in LA or NYC saying "NO KOREANS ALLOWED"
they would go crazy crying every name in the book.
In Korea we foreigners just accept it and laugh if off,
Signs like that only suppress the nation and keep Korea in the back street
discrimination happens on doors all over the world.
doormen turn away people every minute.
but clubs can't put signs up and say.
NO FAT CHICKS
No Ugly people
but they can put up signs saying
No shorts or NO sneakers
but not allowing individuals based on race. is illegal in America
as it should be. and putting up signs blatantly saying that would basically get your place closed down if the gangs don't burn it down first.
we are trying to move on from the discrimination from the 60's.
guess Korea doesn't want to move on. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Picking up girls/guys happens here just like any other club, although the only difference would be that they already know they are all about the same age. The club�s Hongdae branch situated in Seogyo-dong, central Seoul, has a sign at the entrance which reads: �Those born after 1988 not allowed.� |
http://www.koreaherald.com/lifestyle/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120302000998
lol |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
if this happened in America The Korean American association of equality
would be ALL OVER THIS.
imagine a bar in LA or NYC saying "NO KOREANS ALLOWED"
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That's hilarious. Korean-American Association of Equality. In what dream world do you live in where Asians are taken seriously outside of Asia? |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
if this happened in America The Korean American association of equality
would be ALL OVER THIS.
imagine a bar in LA or NYC saying "NO KOREANS ALLOWED"
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That's hilarious. Korean-American Association of Equality. In what dream world do you live in where Asians are taken seriously outside of Asia? |
In democratic societies. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
if this happened in America The Korean American association of equality
would be ALL OVER THIS.
imagine a bar in LA or NYC saying "NO KOREANS ALLOWED"
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That's hilarious. Korean-American Association of Equality. In what dream world do you live in where Asians are taken seriously outside of Asia? |
In democratic societies. |
Riiiiiight. The Asian population being 1% of the vote in most "democratic" countries in the West, why would any politicians care? It took a basketball player (Jeremy Lin) to even get any media talking about Asians that didn't involve North Korea or China. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Riiiiiight. The Asian population being 1% of the vote in most "democratic" countries in the West, why would any politicians care? It took a basketball player (Jeremy Lin) to even get any media talking about Asians that didn't involve North Korea or China. |
It doesn't matter, but in the west we have rules, discrimination rules and rights at the government level.
politicians have to care because it's the rules.
this is what makes our society different from others.
I wont name names. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
if this happened in America The Korean American association of equality
would be ALL OVER THIS.
imagine a bar in LA or NYC saying "NO KOREANS ALLOWED"
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That's hilarious. Korean-American Association of Equality. In what dream world do you live in where Asians are taken seriously outside of Asia? |
In democratic societies. |
Yup. Demographics are irrelevant; anti-discrimination is a cornerstone of good democracy. |
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jhicks99
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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jhicks99
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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It will probably never get into some people's heads but I'll say it again. "YOU HAVE NO BUYING POWER."
Foreign English teachers make up like .05% of the population. The salary is peanuts compared to what many other people make. Especially when most of that salary is going back overseas. I just think its laughable that English Teachers think they are some giant group of consumers with buying power to influence business.
Take a good hard look at many places in Itaewon these days. Many of those businesses are doing BETTER having mostly Korean customers instead of foreigners (B.ONE is a perfect example).
Now, I'm not saying its right to deny foreigners entry. I'm just saying that you have no power/say to control it. As a group, English teachers don't spend enough money to make anyone care. Its the cold hard truth, you might as well accept it. |
This is a pretty stupid comment.
The majority of my university educated Korean friends earn less or a comparable amount than most hakwons pay (factoring the cost of renting an apartment, I know a number of late Korean 20-30 somethings still living at home, you'd never see that in North America with those kinds of jobs) and they all probably put in double the hours easy (although most of it is wasted due to backwards thinking management inefficiency that plagues Korean business, but that's a whole other thread). They are designers, programmers etc.. people with good jobs for their age. I easily put down 100,000+ on a typical Fri or Sat night (ok so 20,000 of that is usually for a taxi) as do most of my foreigner friends. I don't know how many times I see a Korean girl have just one or two cocktails on the night or Korean guys clubbing it up with no bottles in their hand (truthfully I haven't been t a proper club in a good 2-3 years, can't stand them) but that's most often the case. After four years of frequenting Hongdae I'd say foreigners out-drink and outspend their Korean counterparts by a large amount at western-style establishments (I won't argue with the argument that Koreans order more bottles and side-dishes at HOF/Izakaya style places, but that's not what Hongdae is about anyway) and don't really cause any more problems than anyone else.
Excluding foreigners is racist, and a poor business move.
If you took the foreigners out of Hongdae the whole scene would fizzle into something significantly smaller and a number of places would simply close up. You're understating the foreigner impact dramatically.
It's all about blowing off steam and enjoying the weekend, who cares what lots we have in life, we're all trying to do the same thing. Tinpan just gives us 3 less places to do that. I only went there a few times in the past, but based on how easy things were I'd assume a lot of Korean girls were there because of foreign guys. There's always going to be anti-foreigner campaigning in Korea, in a country where parents will call in screaming because you taught their children that tomatoes are really fruit, such narrow-mindedness is to be expected. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
but not allowing individuals based on race. is illegal in America
as it should be. |
Delusions of someone who is clearly a white person talking about equality in the US.
I've had to wait at the entrance of frats and have a fraternity brother vouch for me while random white kids were let in. The first thing my college counselor told me when I was applying to schools was that my race would severely affect my chances of getting into most Ivy League schools. The university I attended has an African-American culture center, a Hispanic culture center and a Native American culture center, but no Asian culture center. After whites, there are more Asians at the school than any other racial group. Asians who are middle management in the US exist in numbers fairly proportionate to the general population, but there are only 9 Asian CEOs at Fortune 500 companies.
So don't even talk to me about there not being any racism in the US. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:32 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be caught dead in any club down the alley that GO GO's, or FF reside. When a person tells me 'free for foreigners, that's enough indication that it's not a place I want to be at.
M2 and sometimes Mansion are cool, but I'm not terribly into clubbing. |
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jhicks99
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:21 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be caught dead in any club down the alley that GO GO's, or FF reside. When a person tells me 'free for foreigners, that's enough indication that it's not a place I want to be at.
M2 and sometimes Mansion are cool, but I'm not terribly into clubbing. |
I feel the opposite. I feel like an idiot lining up and paying a cover to get into a place that's jam packed asking 8,000 won for a beer. To each their own I guess. The places on that alley aren't any sleazier than Zen, Papa Gorilla or a number other places throughout hongdae. I guess I'm a hypocrite though, because I draw the line at places like Pauly's Kettle and the Loft (I think it's gone now) in Itaewon. Those bars make places like Gogos seem like they belong in Apgujeong.
Places like FF and Gogos 1&2 are way more relaxed than clubs like M2, just people enjoying cheap drinks and sometimes good music (I miss the old FF in the wee hours) while not pretending to be a part of any scene. I don't spend my nights there but when it's 3 am and I've lost all or most of my friends while staggering about they're worth dropping into. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
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Riiiiiight. The Asian population being 1% of the vote in most "democratic" countries in the West, why would any politicians care? It took a basketball player (Jeremy Lin) to even get any media talking about Asians that didn't involve North Korea or China. |
It doesn't matter, but in the west we have rules, discrimination rules and rights at the government level.
politicians have to care because it's the rules.
this is what makes our society different from others.
I wont name names. |
Please tell me you're not that naive. |
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