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jrwhite82
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
No, I don't think what you said rises to an insult. I think it came across as smug. There's no tone on the interwebs, though, without smileys.
And its not a big deal either way. You asked, I remember the comment in that thread, so I simply answered. This is CE. It wouldn't work if we all got thin-skinned so easily. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
It's is engrained in US law, is it not? And I'm honestly asking...is it that out of lunch to say that supporting gun ownership rights is an American thing? Seriously?
Heck, we've even had Americans on here saying that gun ownership rights are (or should be) a UNIVERSAL right. Sound familiar, VQ?
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| You can post whatever snide ignorance you want. Just don't be surprised when some people stop giving you the respect you feel you're so entitled to. |
Would that not also apply to you? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
It's is engrained in US law, is it not? And I'm honestly asking...is it that out of lunch to say that supporting gun ownership rights is an American thing? Seriously?
Heck, we've even had Americans on here saying that gun ownership rights are (or should be) a UNIVERSAL right. Sound familiar, VQ?
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| You can post whatever snide ignorance you want. Just don't be surprised when some people stop giving you the respect you feel you're so entitled to. |
Would that not also apply to you? |
It's clear that when you said it you were doing it as a snide remark. A remark meant to incite a response....some would call it trolling. The comment had no value to the discussion at hand, but was meant only to get a rise out of visitorq (Someone who is easy to reel in).
So, insulting, no. But smug, snarky, and snide (yay! alliteration!) - yes. So if you speak to others like that, you should expect them to snipe back at you. And then not complain that they call you names. - In my opinion - |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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So if someone from Findland weighs in on a topic about education with a clearly Finnish angle, it's snarky to say so?
What about when a Brit weighs in on the Falkland Islands with a UK perspective, is it snarky to say so then too?
Face it, visitorq weighed into a gun discussion with a decidedly typical American response, and I noted it. I didn't call him names regarding it, nor did I even pass judgement at that point. I simply said that it was "very American" to have that point of view.
I don't believe that equates to calling someone a spineless coward, do you? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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You noting it served no purpose other than to stir the hornets nest. Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. Maybe you should change your name to Captain Obvious, not Captain Corea. What you did was trolling, plain and simple. So for someone to go trolling for trouble and then to complain about it when they find it is kind of ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, for someone who gets so defensive when others make sweeping generalizations of Koreans, you seem to have no problem doing it for Americans. To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. It shows that in this case, you are being a hypocrite because you constantly remark to others not to do the same thing towards Koreans. And what's funny about this, is I usually agree with you when you chime and and defend Korea and tell people not to say things like "all Koreans hate animals because one woman in Korea kicked a seeing eye dog on a subway". But now you are doing the same thing you admonish others for, only towards Americans. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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We need more of these threads.
(mods listening?) |
This bears repeating.
This is the first thread on CE that's made me crack up in a long time. I think jrwhite has done an excellent job of keeping it "lively". |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. |
Yep. And since CC obviously thinks negatively toward American gun culture, the implied condescending meaning behind his comment was easily taken.
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| Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. |
That's pretty well all he ever does. Heck, most of the comments he's made in this thread would fit that description. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Is everyone drunk here? Where did you buy your beer, and do you feel you were taken advantage of by the person who provided it. Can't believe that part of this devolved into debate about how reliable Wikipedia is, it's alright for background or context sometimes, but it in itself is not a point. Cap. I'm sure that VQ didn't really mean to hurt your feelings, he was just being "sarcastic" VQ I'm sure what he meant to say was that you really are crazy, like a fox. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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You noting it served no purpose other than to stir the hornets nest. Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. Maybe you should change your name to Captain Obvious, not Captain Corea. What you did was trolling, plain and simple. So for someone to go trolling for trouble and then to complain about it when they find it is kind of ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, for someone who gets so defensive when others make sweeping generalizations of Koreans, you seem to have no problem doing it for Americans. To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. It shows that in this case, you are being a hypocrite because you constantly remark to others not to do the same thing towards Koreans. And what's funny about this, is I usually agree with you when you chime and and defend Korea and tell people not to say things like "all Koreans hate animals because one woman in Korea kicked a seeing eye dog on a subway". But now you are doing the same thing you admonish others for, only towards Americans. |
Simple question; what's the law in the US regarding gun control, and do you think it's going to change any time soon?
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
You noting it served no purpose other than to stir the hornets nest. Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. Maybe you should change your name to Captain Obvious, not Captain Corea. What you did was trolling, plain and simple. So for someone to go trolling for trouble and then to complain about it when they find it is kind of ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, for someone who gets so defensive when others make sweeping generalizations of Koreans, you seem to have no problem doing it for Americans. To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. It shows that in this case, you are being a hypocrite because you constantly remark to others not to do the same thing towards Koreans. And what's funny about this, is I usually agree with you when you chime and and defend Korea and tell people not to say things like "all Koreans hate animals because one woman in Korea kicked a seeing eye dog on a subway". But now you are doing the same thing you admonish others for, only towards Americans. |
Simple question; what's the law in the US regarding gun control, and do you think it's going to change any time soon?
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What you are asking is not simple question. You are only further proving your ignorance of the topic. There are many laws regarding gun control, not just one. Could you be more specific?
But I'll do my best to answer this question.
The rules are changing and being debated all the time. What kind of gun, what can you use it for, how do you need to store it, how many can you have, what kind of ammo, can you carry it, where can you buy it, can a convicted criminal own a gun, what kind of background check (if it all) is required, etc...
Also, you have to factor in a number of things like the gun lobby, weapons manufactures, etc...that hold sway over these pieces of legislation. Surely the gun lobby and White Americans (who own the majority of guns in America) are not representative of the interests of all Americans. Nor are the people who wish to limit or eliminate individuals rights to own a weapon for certain or all purposes. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
30%?
It's more like 40%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/gun-ownership-use-america.aspx
these are from 2005
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/
But in 2011 there was an increase in gun ownership apparently.
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Naturally, there is dispute over the significance of the surge in gun sales. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, for instance, says gun ownership in America is actually declining.
�While there are more people with concealed carry permits and there has been an increase in gun sales, the research indicates overwhelmingly that the same people are simply buying more guns and that there has been a sharp decline in the percentage of Americans who own guns,� Brady Campaign spokesperson Caroline Brewer said. �So while there may be more guns, they are in the hands of a smaller percentage of Americans.� |
Note here the organization the speaker belongs to and that she cites no study to back up her claim. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
You noting it served no purpose other than to stir the hornets nest. Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. Maybe you should change your name to Captain Obvious, not Captain Corea. What you did was trolling, plain and simple. So for someone to go trolling for trouble and then to complain about it when they find it is kind of ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, for someone who gets so defensive when others make sweeping generalizations of Koreans, you seem to have no problem doing it for Americans. To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. It shows that in this case, you are being a hypocrite because you constantly remark to others not to do the same thing towards Koreans. And what's funny about this, is I usually agree with you when you chime and and defend Korea and tell people not to say things like "all Koreans hate animals because one woman in Korea kicked a seeing eye dog on a subway". But now you are doing the same thing you admonish others for, only towards Americans. |
Simple question; what's the law in the US regarding gun control, and do you think it's going to change any time soon?
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What you are asking is not simple question. You are only further proving your ignorance of the topic. There are many laws regarding gun control, not just one. Could you be more specific?
But I'll do my best to answer this question.
The rules are changing and being debated all the time. What kind of gun, what can you use it for, how do you need to store it, how many can you have, what kind of ammo, can you carry it, where can you buy it, can a convicted criminal own a gun, what kind of background check (if it all) is required, etc...
Also, you have to factor in a number of things like the gun lobby, weapons manufactures, etc...that hold sway over these pieces of legislation. Surely the gun lobby and White Americans (who own the majority of guns in America) are not representative of the interests of all Americans. Nor are the people who wish to limit or eliminate individuals rights to own a weapon for certain or all purposes. |
So let me ask another question then - would you honestly say that The Right To Bear Arms has nothing to do with the American identity?
(thanks for the previous answer by the way. I think the last paragraph was most interesting) |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Well then... if saying standing for individual gun ownership rights is very American, and standing for national health care is very Canadian - are both insults...
then I am very sorry.
I look at BOTH of those examples of being representative of those countries. They both have them firmly entrenched as law, and as far as i know, are both supported by the populace of their respective nations.
So, is it now improper to ascribe ANY belief to ANY nation? |
Well considering that about 30% of US adults own a gun, I would hardly consider that VERY American.
Your comment also comes from the guy who jumps all over anyone who maks the slightest remark that generalizes Koreans. Hmmmm. |
30%?
It's more like 40%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/gun-ownership-use-america.aspx
these are from 2005
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/
But in 2011 there was an increase in gun ownership apparently.
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Naturally, there is dispute over the significance of the surge in gun sales. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, for instance, says gun ownership in America is actually declining.
�While there are more people with concealed carry permits and there has been an increase in gun sales, the research indicates overwhelmingly that the same people are simply buying more guns and that there has been a sharp decline in the percentage of Americans who own guns,� Brady Campaign spokesperson Caroline Brewer said. �So while there may be more guns, they are in the hands of a smaller percentage of Americans.� |
Note here the organization the speaker belongs to and that she cites no study to back up her claim. |
The source I used for mine was from:
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
30% adults and 40% for households. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
You noting it served no purpose other than to stir the hornets nest. Or do you typically drop into threads to make comments that serve no purpose. Maybe you should change your name to Captain Obvious, not Captain Corea. What you did was trolling, plain and simple. So for someone to go trolling for trouble and then to complain about it when they find it is kind of ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, for someone who gets so defensive when others make sweeping generalizations of Koreans, you seem to have no problem doing it for Americans. To call vistorq's response, "decedicidly typical American", shows you don't understand the diverse cultures and views present in America. It shows that you are stereotpying the citizens of the country. You are painting them all with the same brush. It shows that in this case, you are being a hypocrite because you constantly remark to others not to do the same thing towards Koreans. And what's funny about this, is I usually agree with you when you chime and and defend Korea and tell people not to say things like "all Koreans hate animals because one woman in Korea kicked a seeing eye dog on a subway". But now you are doing the same thing you admonish others for, only towards Americans. |
Simple question; what's the law in the US regarding gun control, and do you think it's going to change any time soon?
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What you are asking is not simple question. You are only further proving your ignorance of the topic. There are many laws regarding gun control, not just one. Could you be more specific?
But I'll do my best to answer this question.
The rules are changing and being debated all the time. What kind of gun, what can you use it for, how do you need to store it, how many can you have, what kind of ammo, can you carry it, where can you buy it, can a convicted criminal own a gun, what kind of background check (if it all) is required, etc...
Also, you have to factor in a number of things like the gun lobby, weapons manufactures, etc...that hold sway over these pieces of legislation. Surely the gun lobby and White Americans (who own the majority of guns in America) are not representative of the interests of all Americans. Nor are the people who wish to limit or eliminate individuals rights to own a weapon for certain or all purposes. |
So let me ask another question then - would you honestly say that The Right To Bear Arms has nothing to do with the American identity?
(thanks for the previous answer by the way. I think the last paragraph was most interesting) |
Of course our constitution is an influencing factor in defining our identity. I just feel sorry for all those grizzly amputees because of it. So cruel!  |
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