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Election 2012 is Underway
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proudly incorruptible libertarian's all-but-open collusion with Mitt Romney, the establishment candidate, should infuriate his fans

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Paul has a simple explanation for his behavior, and it should appall his ideological followers just as much as a craven political quid pro quo would: The two men are friends. Unlike the rest of the candidates, by Paul's account, Romney hasn't treated Paul like a radioactive nutball; he's greeted him with respect, as equals, and their families have become close. "I talk to Romney more than the rest on a friendly basis," Paul told the New York Times. "He's made a bigger attempt to do it. The others are sort of just real flat."


I have no affection for Molly Ball, but she's close to right. Ron Paul's soft stance on Romney shows Ron Paul doesn't really want to win. And its hardly just to his donors.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Ron Paul's performance is disappointing. As of this post, he has less than half of Gingrich's and less than 1/10th of Romney's delegates.

In Virginia, only Romney and Ron Paul were on the ballot. Romney won 43 delegates. Ron Paul won three. Three more are unallocated. Its not good.


Yeah, I really had hoped/expected better from him.


So, do you all think "Super Tuesday" changed anything?
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
The proudly incorruptible libertarian's all-but-open collusion with Mitt Romney, the establishment candidate, should infuriate his fans

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Paul has a simple explanation for his behavior, and it should appall his ideological followers just as much as a craven political quid pro quo would: The two men are friends. Unlike the rest of the candidates, by Paul's account, Romney hasn't treated Paul like a radioactive nutball; he's greeted him with respect, as equals, and their families have become close. "I talk to Romney more than the rest on a friendly basis," Paul told the New York Times. "He's made a bigger attempt to do it. The others are sort of just real flat."


I have no affection for Molly Ball, but she's close to right. Ron Paul's soft stance on Romney shows Ron Paul doesn't really want to win. And its hardly just to his donors.

Not a fair assessment IMO. I think the rumor that Ron Paul was in talks with Romney about maybe becoming his VP pick was started by someone in Santorum's camp, but RP has stated in no uncertain terms that there is no basis to it (the notion seems inconceivable to me). While agree RP is a bit softer on Romney, he does criticize him constantly, and to characterize them as "friends" would be inaccurate.

Basically he just goes after Santorum more, because Santorum is just that much more of a disrespectful slime ball (just oozes it). Romney, on the other hand, comes off as more a level-headed sort. I do agree RP should step it up and really start tearing these guys down, but that sort of thing has never really been his strong suit (unfortunately)...
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do wish Paul would go after Romney more on things like Bain Capital. There should be a new attack ad put out every week on that...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read other articles that say Paul and Romney are friends and that they talk on the phone regularly.

But that is neither here nor there in my mind, Paul is done. Romney has got this one all sewn up. It is just a question of how much pressure the ultra-conservative wing puts pressure on Romney in picking a VP and later if he wins cabinet members.

Obama or Romney: What's your poison?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Rick Santorum (Sick Rantorum?) wins Wisconsin and/or Texas and/or North Carolina, he still has a chance of at least preventing Romney from getting enough delegates to clinch before the Tampa convention. Ron Paul's aim has probably not been to win the nomination so much as promoting a movement and being part of the public discourse.

President Obama (currently en route to the DMZ in Korea) figures to win over the majority of people not blinded by racial prejudice, unbridled greed, and sectarian religious dogma.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
If Rick Santorum (Sick Rantorum?) wins Wisconsin and/or Texas and/or North Carolina, he still has a chance of at least preventing Romney from getting enough delegates to clinch before the Tampa convention. Ron Paul's aim has probably not been to win the nomination so much as promoting a movement and being part of the public discourse.

Whether he can win or not is up for debate... but this scenario is playing out rather well for Paul. His camp has made sure to have their people selected as delegates even if they're bound to another candidate in the first round of voting. So long as there is a second round of voting at the national convention, Paul will wield a significant amount of influence... easily more than Gingrich and likely rivaling Santorum.
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